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..so?
so he says imma gay and i support gay marriages!
Is that a bad thing?
cantgetit is just confused about his sexuality.
He’ll soon realize that there is nothing wrong with the fact that he is gay.
Despite the haters, this is a true WIN!
Except that it has been on this site at least twice before.
Older than dirt = FAIL, no matter how good it is.
hmm going to have to disagree with you. needs to be like a sticky in my mind. anyway still think its a win sense it can be posted twice and still be awesome
NO FAIL EXCEPTIONS MADE, ESPECIALLY TO GRAPHS LIKE THIS; NOT FUNNY!!!111
You fail for knowing that it was posted twice before
comments are moderated now!? WTF!!?
at a certain age of a post, yes they become moderated, but not by content.
otherwise I’d think Cheezburger are not taking a NPOV…
my last comment on yours got moderated and thrown out because I mentioned the Bible. this calls for war.
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Nice 1337. You do know it’s cowardly to hide behind it right? Especially if people can read your “secret message”. By the way “ph” is not the same as an ‘F’ so you might want to learn to spell. Of course seeing as you CAN’T spell you must be tired of ‘F’s by now.
Blahblahblahblah..
nobody effing cares.
I know everybody else will see the message; that’s why I avoided using words that could draw mod attention. I’m not stupid, you @$$monkey. Or ignorant, for that matter, so don’t hate on me.
And I am not tired of f’s!! They’re freaking fantastic for saying “f@#$ you!”
That is what I’m doing right now.
It’s intolerant christians like you that made me an atheist.
That’s pathetic.
I agree… I think.
depends on which one’s pathetic; atheists or the Christians he’s talking about.
The pathetic ones are those who keep wanting to prove God doesn’t exist because they hate the fact that those who do believe live in happiness because they believe someone loves them so much. I myself am not a Religious person in the traditional sense I have an Idea that I believe in.
As opposed to the ones who can’t handle their own doubts and thus need to shove their religion down everyone else’s throats? I prefer the atheists, even though I’m not one.
Yeeha for you and plus 500 internets!
wait maybe it got moderated because I said ph4gg07.
whoops.
on the bright side, this is a sure way of getting comments, second only to mangling your grammer and mispelling somting.
go ahead, prove it.
Yup, definately made by someone who’s gay and wants to get married.
There’s an ad at the top of the page which says “do you think homosexuals shou have special rights? Congressman Frank does.”
Boy, talk about foreshadowing this argument. Frank is wrong.
consequence: AIDS!
Silly trt. This isn’t Africa.
It’s NOT??? Oh and I brought my favorite spear… well – I have graham crackers – who has marshmallows and chocolate??? We’ll start a fire and make s’mores!!
Both racist AND tasty . . . am I a bad person?
Of course not, I too would gladly trade my beliefs for a delicious treat.
LOL! XD
Wow… That was probably the stupidest thing you could have said. Go back to school and learn some basic science! Being gay does not equal having AIDS. *rolling eyes* I feel bad for people like you, it can’t be easy to live with such a low level of intelligence.
Spreading a misconception is an automatic sign of low intelligence? What about judging someone’s intelligence based on a one line comment posted on a site like this one? How intelligent is that? You tell me.
On an unrelated note, I’m pretty sure gay marriages have broken more than one family over the years. Not everyone is open-minded enough to accept the choices their kids or grand-kids make.
Straight marriages have broken up even more.
Heck, not even marriages–unmarried people have kids a lot, and not always marry after wards.
Out of wedlock pregnancies are a different thing than marriages, having kids does not define a marriage, also, a higher percentage of families with gay marriages in them are broken, as straight marriages have been going on for a lot longer.
But how high is the divorce rate in the US? And families can be broken over something like that, too. Also, I’m interested in seeing where you got your percentages… Unless, of course, you did what I think you did and pulled them out of your ass…
not true, hater. not true. you’re an idiot with no brain.
Seeing as you present insults with no fact, let me do the same;
YOU’RE MAMA WAS SOOOO FAT, SHE STEPPED ON A SCALE AND IT ASKED WHY SHE WAS GIVING HIM HER PHONE #.
DISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
Actually, I don’t mind an unintelligent comment once in a while.
The percentage is ONLY higher because they never included a “gay” in any of the studies for a very long time. If being “gay” is wrong, why doesn’t God smite all the manitees, dolphins and other animals that have gay relations? Don’t see that happening, and it hasn’t happened for thousands of years. Go back to your negative thinkbox and figure out how to explain God’s moves on that one.
There is no God, get a life.
gays should not get married or even be gay. By the way… God is real!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? Why shouldn’t they be? Answer that.
Because if they breed, then the whole world could go gay in, like 2 generations!
…gay people can’t breed. Men can’t have babies and women can’t either without this thing called SEMEN. And even if they could have children, being gay isn’t part of genetics like having brown hair or blue eyes. So now that we’ve figured out your argument is invalid…
Wow… this is the definition of fail. Being gay is not genetic, and gay people can’t even breed. Guys can’t get pregnant, and a girl can ONLY get pregnant from a GUY. There is nothing wrong with being gay, otherwise God, if he does exist, would not have made some people gay. And if God doesn’t exist, then what exactly is wrong with being gay?
Maybe this is God’s way of lowering the population? A.A
Beats the HECK out of cancer and disease, don’t you think?
Wow. Fail biology, much?
Please tell us.
OMGGGGosh!!! I LEIK TTLY AGREE WIT U BROTHA!!!!
SPEK TAH TROOTH!!!
But, really, if your imaginary friend hates gays so much, why did he make gays be gay?
THANK YOU.
Oh my god, That is the same thing i’ve been saying for years now!
THOUGH HAST AWAKENED ME . HOW DARE YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE WE’RE UNDER DRUGS!!!!
It just so happens my “imaginary friend” was the same of the Hebrews, of Joseph, and of Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!
To answer your question, he didn’t. Gay is a choice, and God gives us free choice. If you’re looking for an intelligent arguement, go to the mythbusters website.
-Erik H. W., Second personality, aka. Vengeful Defender of His Beliefs.
So, if homosexuality is a choice, why does “God” hate/punish gays?…
You sound like you’re thinking of the old testament God, Yoshi. Oh, no, he didn’t change, he just works differently now.
If God does exist, and he hates gays, why did he invent homosexuality. Think about it. Why invent something you hate and allow people access to it only to smite them?
Besides, the gays make it easier for straight people to find someone to procreate with, which is a biological imperative. Basically, gays are a good thing.
I agree again.
Even darwin, that rascist b——, could tell you that since gay people can’t produce they’re own children.
But since God cares about individuals, not nations, that would mean a gay person would be a bad thing, but in the interest of the gay person.
I agree!!! That’s what I said in my post that got moderated!! They might say it’s suicide to attach one’s self to a religious belief on the internet, but they are cowards!
Epic moment end.
they have no choice. They like their same sex because they just DO. It’s not like they woke up one day and said, “I’m going to piss of a bunch of christians today and have sex with a person of my sex because i can!”
You can’t tell a person what they like, anyway! I’ll make you a deal: i won’t mess with your beliefs in religion, and you don’t mess with my beliefs on human rights. Capiche?
We don’t tell them what to do. But gay IS a choice. We tell them they’re wrong, and what’s right, and let them do it! Christians aren’t ungraceful; our God is a God of grace!
Prove to me that being gay is a choice. I’m 15 and if i could have chosen not to be gay, i would have. believing in God is like having a little voice in your head, telling you what to think.
Just think for a single second instead of shouting insults and trying to crush other people’s argument talking about things you do not understand? Do not state being gay is a choice when you cannot explain it, and when there are so many arguments against it you cannot counter. I am not even talking about opinions- arguments. Rational arguments.
This may be a basic and overly simplistic one, but please, just look at it for one second. Why would someone choose to be gay… then try no matter what to hide it to the point they don’t even engage in relationships with the same gender? Also, why choose to be gay when you know it will prevent you from having children, make a lot of people hate you, hurt you -and you know I am not speaking figuratively here-, socially disable you, not to mention make you a criminal in certain places and in many people’s heads?
I truly hope you had not considered that before, I truly hope you can understand that the things you are saying are hurtful- and hurting people is going against God. Also, speaking words of hatred in the name of God is going against God greatly. Swearing is a sin.
Just like you do, I am telling you you are wrong. Are you going to listen and change your ways? I definitely do not think so. Also, it is being terribly full of yourself to claim to know “what’s right” and to want to impose it on people. What about humility? You surely pretend to know God well.
i don’t care what you say, and I’m proud to defend my beliefs so intensely!
THERE IS NO NERTE. JUST THE BELIEF THAT THERE IS A PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE WHO USES THE NAME TO STATE HIS/HER OPINIONS, AND WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE WHAT HE/SHE SAYS.
THERE IS NO NERTE, STOP INTERACTING WITH HIM/HER AND GET A LIFE.
YOU CAN’T PROVE S/HE EXISTS EVEN THOUGH HIS/HER WORDS ARE THERE.
You asked for it.
Animals are creatures, created by God and entrusted to humans to care for– they do not have souls and are not subject to moral consequences. We–humans are. We have souls and a choice in all our actions and are subject to consequences when we disobey God’s commands. Check out Leviticus and Revelations
WIN
I am inferring from this that you think one of God’s commands is to not be gay, which I loathe. It is sad how far from love Christianity has driven itself, love of course being the one most fundamental principle of the whole faith. If you can’t keep it as such, then you should rethink your priorities.
The only instance where the Bible actually dislikes such behavior is in the old testament, which of course doesn’t apply today thanks to Jesus (references in the new testament only call homosexuality as something abnormal, which makes sense for the time period). If Jesus actually said not to be gay then that would change things, but he has never said that (unless you can show me?). So far the conclusion that homosexuality is a sin is not in fact through God’s word, but by people’s interpretation of it – people who may in fact WANT such a thing to be a sin because they simply don’t like it.
It’s all about context – God probably wanted his people to grow in the old testament, and homosexuality would be an obstacle to that. Clearly, population growth is not so important today. Maybe God wants to use homosexuality to fight back against overpopulation. Who knows? I can’t read God’s mind. But the way you speak, you seem to think you can.
I realize that I assumed you are Christian. If you are, say, Jewish, then don’t mind me. I don’t know much about other faiths.
Wolfcheese…good comments. I was a Philosophy and Religion major, and am an atheist. But, that particular question also raised issues with me, so I sought out an answer from my Prof. According to some scholars, the belief is that at the time of that particular passage (A man shall not lie with a man), male on male rape was a common practice amongst various tribes as a way to dominant. Just as inmates will do in a jailhouse setting, or even a heterosexual rapist will attempt to do to his female victim. So yes, in that respect, I agree…let’s not rape. As far as being a commandent against homosexuals, I find that arguement seems more along the lines of fear based propaganda. Oh, for all those that would assume I am gay, I am not.
*high five*
thank you for being a Christian with a sane, respectable point of view.
Heck Yes! I’ll second the high five!
yay for intelligence and effective prose!
Wolfcheese? Matt? Please step forward. *Ahem* For being such awesome, intelligent (Sp?) individuals, I hereby bestow upon you… 2 internets. *Shinyshiny*
Learn to spell first.
Yay! they shall inherit the earth and two internets! totally agreed;).
There is nothing in scripture that speaks against homosexuality. Poor translation and exigesis has lead the the misconception that there is.
SHUT THE HECK UP AND GO BACK TO BIBLE CLASS, YOU FREAKIN’ NIMROD
(I love how no one’s come up with a good argument against this.) Props, dude.
Agreed. “SHUT THE HECK UP” might have counted as one but I’m not so convinced.
B-but octopi watch TV. And give hugs.
And birds can understand the concept of zero.
And male tigers let female tigers with babies eat first if the come by – a behavioral trait that is not seen often.
And how do you know they don’t have souls? How do you know they don’t have morals, or can’t face moral consequences? Why should only what one faith says be true?
I agree! Just because one person believes animals don’t have souls doesn’t mean they are right. In some Native American cultures, it is believed everything has a soul. This may not necessarily be right either, but as long as everyone has different beliefs people will never totally agree or be able to celebrate diversity in all aspects.
This takes me back to sixth grade, when my English teacher told me that humans were the “dominant species” and all animals were below them.
I can’t believe someone would really not value other creatures similar to themselves! This may be a really abnormal thing for others, but for me… I definitely value animals over some people.
People are so flawed… O.O And other animals are extremely useful for science and the survival of our species! On many levels! <:C
More animals have souls and are accountable than people. Animals don’t judge others or kill out of hate. Not all people need a book to tell us to be nice to others. There will be great dissappointment for alot of people when they crossover and the angel waiting on them was their gay neighbor here on earth. Why is it when someone wants to condone their own hate, they wont take credit for being an ass instead they blame it on God. I wonder what kind of judgement they expect to get on the otherside.
“”Wild animals never kill for sport. Man is the only one to whom the torture and death of his fellow-creatures is amusing in itself.” ~James Anthony Froude~
obviously this guy doesn’t have pets. I have seen my dogs throw a kitten back and forth from one another before I realized it was not a rag and saved her. I have seen my cats play several small rodents and birds to death never stopping to feed on them. If that is not sport, then we just have different interpretations of what “killing for fun” means.
The quote said WILD animals, not domesticated.
If God exists… as the one and only supreme power… and the human race is one of God’s creations… subjugated to God… who are humans then to believe they have the right of putting themselves into God’s place and make judgments which are – in principle – solely God’s? Isn’t that judging going not only against Christian principles but directly against God?
Let people live and die. If someone should send anyone to hell (if there is a slim possibility that it exists…), that one should be exclusively God, not you or any other recalcitrant Christian. Check Matthew 7:1.
Leviticus? Are you serious? So you’re not eating pork, I hope.
I’m not very religious, but doesn’t the concept of christianity include some things like “love” and “let him who is without sin cast the first stone”? Poor Jesus, if he knows what’s going on today…
Btw: Can someone tell me – from a religious point of view – why being gay should be wrong? Oh and “not producing offspring” isn’t valid, because many straight couples choose not to (and some would like to, but can’t). Any other reasons?
I actually have yet to read it (laziness) but there have been several mentions by people I argue this with of The Sodomites in… I Kings 14:24 (I looked it up). SUPPOSEDLY that is bulletproof in the NO GAYS argument but I highly doubt it. If God exists and created everyone in His image why would He make a faulty version of Himself? He wouldn’t. They would be in his image too. I’m Agnostic by the way. Hope that helps with what you were curious about.
Oh wow, thanks.
But actually my german translation (since I’m german) says something about “male temple prostitutes”… I think there’s a big difference between a gay and a prostitute. But maybe that’s depending on the translation.
Anyway, I guess I’m seeing the whole thing from a too scientific point of view: I need reasons other than “the bible says so”… Because there are so many contradictions in it from the first place.
I think if there’s a god (yes, I’m kind of agnostic, too) he’ll be satisfied if the people try to love and/or accept each other and try not to hurt them. I have no idea why he should ask for anything else…
He didn’t make a faulty image; people made a faulty choice as soon as they sinned. God said it was good, but afterwards our mistake made it impossible for future perfection.
to you too, mr. agnostic.
So
hey your the guy who hates 1337!
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But, if “God” is omniscient (all-knowing), then he knew Adam and Eve would’ve sinned…so why did he allow them to sin? He could’ve made them unable to think about anything but him, but he instead gave them free will, even though he -should’ve- known that they would disobey him. Unless you propose that “God” isn’t omniscient, in which case, he is faulty himself.
I am really annoyed by agnostic green dinosaurs. God gave us free choice; personally, I’m a little confused as to why he’d do that because I certainly wouldn’t; but it clearly says God is uncomprehendable.
Leviticus also says to stone disobedient children :S
LOL, and EPIC WIN
Ah, but see–we’re supposed to care for animals? Seems your little storybook is wrong there…so why do you keep referring to it in such high regards? And, as I said before, if homosexuality is a choice, then “God” gave us that choice. Why should “God” punish people for using their free will that he gave them?
Humans are Animals.
humans have hair
humans have mammary glands
humans have vertebra
humans give live birth
Therefore by the definition of Mammals, humans fall under the Mammal classification
Mammalia (mammals) is a class, in the phylum Chordata(chordates), in the kingdom Animalia (animals).
Humans are animals, and nothing you can say about the presence of a “soul” can change that.
Silly person.
God does not smite people. Name one time when he has. (If you were a being of all-good would you smite a person who was doing something wrong? No? Right answer! After all, smiting is bad.)
heard of noahs ark, how about back in egypt to lead his people out of slavery,
It wasn’t Noah’s Ark, fool; it was the Ark of the Covenant.
Christ on a cracker.
That’s just so blasphemous in too many ways.
… isn’t christ IN the crackers? XD
Because God doesn’t smite anyone…if He did, we’d all be dead, gays, straights, dolphins the lot
! Thank God that he doesn’t, and that people are free to do things that according to the Bible He doesn’t condone.
Yeah, God doesn’t smite anyone… anymore.
Ever read ye olde testament? Crazy stuff.
God created a little thing called “Free Will”, and through this free will, we are allowed to live and choose our lives at will, and regardless of how we choose to live as the bible instructs us to, he has also chosen to not interfere or “smite” anymore until The Day of Judgment. Your more than welcome to make all the wrong choices you want in life, but everyone’s time comes.
I have many friends in gay marriages that have been together 20 years or more. I was with my first partner 28 years until she passed away and have been with my new partner 8 years now. Gay marriages actually last longer than straight marriages. My partner and I raised 3 wonderful msons together and we have 8 wonderful grandchildren. Gay marriage is awesome. Oh and by the way, more heterosexual males pass aids then homosexuals.
If everyone decides to go gay, THE HUMAN POPULATION WILL DIE OUT!!!
“If everyone decides to go gay…”
I do sincerely hope you’re joking. If not, when did you decide to go straight?
There is MALE and FEMALE for a reason. People are supposed to be straight. WE HAVE DIFFERENT PARTS FOR A REASON!!!
People are “supposed” to be smart, too, but you seem to disprove that.
WIN
FAIL.
There’s nothing stupid about him.
TO REPRODUCE. Yet I see straights use condoms. Man, now I’m confused.
Interesting you should use a reference to 300; That’s the same # of people Daniel (I think) led against the philistines. How come there’s no movie for that!??
So when are they “supposed” to get the message? 3 months pregnant? 6 months? from the delivery doctor?
You are right there are different parts for a reason. Reproduction. Just like you have a mouth part for eating, but you do other things with it when you aren’t eating.
Comment win! ‘Go straight!’ LOL!
I love you for that. That is just awesome. *applauds you* So many people think it’s a decision and that is the perfect comeback.
You know what’s Buuuuuuuuulllllllllcrap? You saying this is awesome. Gay people made the rainbow a girly thing, and I like my many colored shirts. God made a rainbow to symbol his promise. how dare they.
So will you turn gay because others will?
Yes, but homosexuality is a good way of keeping populations in check while still having a loving scociety
You don’t “go gay”, it’s not a choice. And that is a common misconception that needs to be cleared up. People may pretend to be straight, in order to avoid the criticism, but that doesn’t mean they suddely “chose to be gay” one day. They just found the courage to open up about who they really are. I know this, because I have gay fathers. My dad said he knew he was gay from the age of 17, but being raised in a very religous, close-minded family, decided he needed to make himself straight. He never dated a man, until he was in his 30′s. He married my mom (his best friend) at 18, and stayed with her for 15 years, before he finally found the courage to be true to himself. He missed out on alot of his life. And it’s really sad that he spent, the majority of his life, forced to pretend he was someone that he really isn’t. My dad has had 2 boyfriends since, its been 10 years. My mom on the other hand, a heterosexual woman, has had many relationships, and is now finally happily remarried.. Both of my parents have found love again, and I consider myself very blessed, because I have 3 fathers, and a mother, who all love me deeply. I wouldn’t change anything about it. I love my family, gay or straight.
Did you just say that becoming gay is not a choice?
Preeeetty sure he did…because it’s not a choice.
Uh yes it is a choice. Yoshi might ride you in soviet Russia, but it ain’t going to work to just post at the top so no one can reply and ride your comment.
A) Do you really think the entire population will go gay because gay marriage is legalized?
B)The Earth is overpopulated anyway. The less people having babies, the better.
yes and actually it seems the heterosexuals need us homosexuals to adopt and raise the babies that they are creating,[ because their parts fit together lol ] that they dont want to love and raise. Yet they believe they are superior,think again.We are all equal,different but equal.
You have a very good point. There are so many men and women out there breeding like rabbits that there are millions of orphans world wide in need of homes… Who adopts more than anyone else? Gays and lesbians.
WE DON’T THINK YOU UNEQUAL, JUST WRONG!
Sadly, EHW2 agrees with the part about babies…
Well there’s a place for everything. It’s wrong but there’s a place.
How is it wrong? Explain to me without using the Bible or “humans will die out.” I don’t believe either of those reasons are strong enough to stand alone.
okay, two reasons why I can/can’t;
1) your post is at the top, and this stupid web format won’t let me reply directly to you.
2) The Bible is strong and proven, I won’t go into how because it’s a long story, but I have another solid book to prove it; the dictionary. Marriage is the sacred unity of a man and women. One cool thing about each of these books is that they are unchanged, many years after their creation; the definition of marriage will never change, and the Bible will never change it’s message, like, say, a Jehovah witness’ bible. I heard the story of a guy who had a real old copy of the JWB and he happened to come across some witnesses… They asked him if he wanted a look inside their new versions and he said that he could just read from his. Long story cut down a little, the versions said some things that didn’t match up. He came home day after and his was gone; They didn’t want that knowledge out there. Christians don’t do that; our Bible is unchange and we awant everyone to look inside and read the unaltered word of God.
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EHW, convenient that you say the bible is “proven” but you “aren’t going to prove it” my guess is that it relies heavily on fallacies, or false assumptions, because believe me, if the bible were proven correct, we would all know it.
Secondly, the dictionary reflects usage, it doesn’t serve as the last word for what words are, thats why they have to release new editions, meanings change based on usage.
Thirdly, let me give you the Webster’s dictionary definitions for ‘marriage’
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage
By pulling out the dictionary your “definition” argument is immediately proven wrong. The first part of the first definition specifies opposite sex, yes. BUT if you look at the 2nd part it specifies same sex, so by your logic I can just say “Hey, straight marriage is wrong because the definition defines marriage as between gay people”
Note how part b says “married persons”, it doesn’t specify gay/straight, part c again, doesn’t specify, parts 2 and 3, don’t have any relation to the at hand discussion.
So yeah, explain why homosexuality is wrong under the confines of Cat’s statement.
Oh, continuing, you also cannot say that the bible proves the bible, or that god proves the bible, because both of those depend on the fact that the bible is correct in order to be used, and that winds up with a circular argument.
God only proves the bible in the bible, if the bible is wrong about God, then God can’t have proven the bible.
That would be like me saying that something is true “because I said so”
if everyone turned gay then the population wouldn’t die out, pregnancy would still be achievable you ridiculous imbecile
Earth is overpopulated anyways.
Also, gay couples can adopt all those poor, underloved kids at the orphanages.
The way I see it, we can afford to skimp on the baby-making!!! Geez, sometimes i think we have FAR too many people on this world.
So. Would you rather have people kill each other or die from disease and famine, like school textbooks say overcrowded species do? Or would you like the population to gradually descend due to love?
Also, this could potentially boost the number of adopted orphans, thereby giving them potentially better, stable lives(nothing is absolute, so I must say “potentially”).
Banana
I like your facts.
It’s the fault of the family members, not the gay union / marriage. Coming out to my family made us stronger and helped teach us to love one another despite our differences.
+1
I second that
Truth. If couples separate, its not because of family members sexual choice. That is only an escuse. They were abt to get separated, they just hadnt found a ‘good’ excuse to that yet. And abt the AIDS thing, the % of gays and heteros who use condom is of 60% among them. EQUAL. there are more gay with aids bcause its MUCH EASIER to get aids by anal sex. and its much more easier u say NO to comdon in the anal sex ’cause then there is no chance of getting marriage. and ppl ‘spread’ aids not only cuase they are selfish, but becuase u can be with the virus for year bfore having a syntom. its very stupid to think that aids is a gay disease, that homoseually makes couples split out and its very stupid to have prejudice against gays or anything else. and sorry my english, my mother language is portuguese. Is someone going to say that english should be the only language too?
Once upon a time parens disowned their kids for marrying from another tribe, religion, city state country, color whatever. People love who they love.
Being gay is NOT a “choice” people make any more than one’s height eye color or (original) hair color. It just is & if more people understood that, maybe their energy could be used for something that MATTERS in the world.
Agreed!!!! I’m not gay, but I have no issues with those that are. I could have been born in a 3rd world country, be starving, have leukemia… but I don’t. I’m grateful to be who I am and live where I live. There are a lot more important things to worry about than if someone is gay…
You realize there’s greater genetic correlation between fat people than gay people? Most identical twins that have one gay twin have a straight twin. Not genetic.
Research clearly indicates that sexual preference is based largely on environment. Also, it is obviously changeable as some have made the choice to change.
Just because something is not genetic doesn’t mean it’s something learned. Many studies you have ignored in your post have pointed to the womb hormones being a determining factor of one’s sexuality. I wish people wouldn’t keep asking “what makes people gay” as if it makes their sexuality less valid. No-one questions why straight people are straight. its also interesting how straight people can devalidate people’s orientation so easily, I guess it’s not hard when you’ve never felt that way. Nice privelege
I do question what makes people straight. (I had heterosexual feelings for maybe two years then they died completely) Furthermore, identical twins would tend to get the same womb hormones….that’s kinda how the system works.
In the end you can choose your sexuality, just as you can change your food preference; it just takes time to make your mind change.
This is complete BS. Just because you are apparently bisexual and can change who you like doesn’t mean that your experience is universal. There are plenty of people that are straight and could never possibly be gay and vice versa. Look up the Kinsey scale.
…change your food preference? Because the kind of food you like determines on how your tastebuds change over time. How your body changes your tastebuds. So, by your analogy, homosexuality is something our body regulates, not our mind…and if the mind doesn’t regulate it, it’s not a choice.
idk where you’re getting your info from, but the kinsey institue (one that is fully credited and often does studies on human sexuality) has done studies on this. THEY found that in identical twins, most of them are both gay or both straight, and they found a gene in fruitflies that, when activated, would change the fruitflies mating patterns to prefer males over females. (link here-http://www.skeptictank.org/gaygene.htm).
another thing, the only GENETIC correlation between fat people is with the epigenome, which can be modified if there is an extreme change in the environment during the puberty of the father. BEHAVIORAL or ENVIRONMENTAL correlation between fat people is much higher as eating high fat foods will make your fat and people living near each other, like families, will tend to eat similar foods.
And who exactly has changed? i can think of some “ex”-gays, but even on the website for many of these programs, they admit to not being able to change the sexuality, but only to being able to suppress the desire. This is as ridiculous as changing your race by getting tanner or lighter.
Rich Deem does a nice job of putting the research pieces together.
http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/genetics_of_homosexuality.html
Seriously? Your source is a site called god and science, too much religious bias against homosexuality to accept it as a valid source of information on this topic.
Choice?? Homosexuality is a CHOICE???? Don’t be rediculous.
Actually, it is sometimes a choice. See, there’s this thing called bisexuality. When you’re bi you can go straight or gay. Choice, dude, choice.
just because you can choose to either go straight or gay, doesn’t mean you can choose those feelings. i’m bi and i can choose to date a woman or a man but i cant choose to not have sexual feelings to either of them.
Don’t be a piss poor speller.
I would say that forcing gay people into opposite-sex marriages has “broken” (although I’m not sure how you’re defining the term) many more families.
+1 I totally agree.
you are correct, it broke my family..i commented above, when someone said something along the lines of “but if everyone ‘chooses to be gay’, our population will die out”. I hate when people talk about choosing to be gay, we don’t ‘choose’ to be straight, anymore than a homosexual ‘chooses’ to be gay.
But anyways, my dad was forced into a heterosexual marriage with my mom, his best friend, when he was 18. His very religous, close minded family had him believing he was damned to hell, and that the only way to save himself was to “choose to be straight”. After 15 years of pretending to be someone he wasn’t, he finally became true to himself, and everyone is much happier now. I love my dad, and his boyfriend, and my mom, and her husband. I love my alternative family, haha. We may be different, I mean, not many people can say they have 3 fathers, and one mother, but, I wouldn’t change a thing about it.
+ 2
cwinner, also, if everyone chose to be straight the habitable life of the planet would be dramatically shortened. Good thing there’s no choosing orientation, huh? (Orientation. LOL love that word, as a lesbian with a thing for Asian girls. Gettit? ORIENTation? Nevermind.)
LOL i totally got it and that made me laugh. i’m straight for the most part but i go gaga over asian women. i don’t consider myself bi just because i’ve always looked but never touch.. but i do have a thing for asian chicks.
I get what you mean
XD Hey, who can blame you? They’re so cute and fluffy! Well, not fluffy, but, well, maybe but- you get my point.
“Spreading a misconception” is neocon code for LIE…and it is a true sign of the spreader’s level of dumb.
Recognizing this sign of stupidity by calling out the LIE is very intelligent — especially in a public forum like this. It puts the LIE and the LIAR on record with the rest of the participants.
Compared to the dismal record of broken families straight marriages have caused, gay marriages, at less than one-one thousandsth of 1% of all marriages, have had virtually none of the impact you allude to.
Go beat another dead horse.
Judging his intelligence on one comment…how hypocritical is that?
On an unrelated note, I don’t think it’s the “marriage” that is upsetting the family but rather that they’re not open-minded enough to accept the fact a family member is gay…a fact that isn’t going to change whether or not gay marriage is legal.
null and void
Being gay is a choice?
When did people choose to give up their right to marriage and other things and risk being kicked out of their homes and/or beaten up for loving someone?
If being gay weren’t a choice (ie, genetic), wouldn’t identical twins be either both straight or both gay? The fact that that isn’t so shows that people aren’t born gay or straight.
You choose how tall you are? That has some genetic base, true, but is mostly environmental. Just because something isn’t entirely genetic doesn’t mean it’s a conscious free-will *choice*.
Seriously, why would someone choose to be gay? The social and political benefits?
In identical twins, their genome are not always completely identical. One gene in one twin might be active, but in the other it might be inactive. One might have a mutation and other doesn’t, etc. The differences between them increases as time passes.
Obviously, you’re not someone who studies genetics for a living.
Look up Epigenetics. It’s not exactly impossible.
I think that’s pretty wrong.
Identical twins come from 1 single cell with 1 blob of genes and stuff. That one cell multiplies into a blob of more cells. It’s when that blob splits when identical twins come.
After they split, though, it is possible for mutations to occur separately.
Awesome reply! That is ridiculous to think people choose to be gay!
I guess sparklefish9 you werent born gay or straight so does that make you asexual. Sounds kinda foolish kinda like your statement.You should really check your facts before sharing stupid with others
on the other hand, do babies have ANY sexual feelings? And as a kid on the playground did you not know any boys who thought of girls as “icky”? At puberty, that’s when sexuality is defined. The only reason a 7 year old would see heterosexuals as normal is because their parents are heterosexual. So, true, people are not born straight or gay, but it is an adolescently developed feeling, and cannot be switched like a light.
Do you have it marked on your calendar when you chose to be straight? Did you get a questionaire? Survey? Were you fully aware of what it meant to be gay or straight when you made your choice? Did you get a certificate or something from your doctor?
People make the choice to be straight all the time. People also make the choice to be gay. Your sexuality is something you choose, not something that’s forced upon you.
Wait… what? WHY would people choose to be gay? Being gay is not genetic, but that doesn’t mean it’s a choice. Being gay is developed during adolescence. True, bisexuals have a choice, but other than that, you have very little control.
Stick with your cat companions. Don’t get involved with real people issues. You’ll be fine.
I agree; I am entirely guilty of that first part, along with every other person behind a keyboard.
You just mad an EPIC LOGIC WIN!!!!111 You rock, Me.
You don’t quite get sarcasm do you…
trt….there are more hetrosexuals with AIDS than there are homosexuals with AIDS. You get AIDS from unprotected sex you dimwit. People like you who make statements like that probably don’t even know how to use a condom.
Actually the incidences of aids might go down because people generally cheat less when marriage is involved.
HIV/AIDS is more common now in heterosexual black men and even more common in women.
Not if they practice safe sex. Besides, it isn’t as if heterosexual people are immune to and/or never get the virus, so should humanity as a whole stop getting married and having sex? Also, not all marriages even involve sex. Some married couples are perfectly fine without it.
If you look at the FACTS…Heterosexual females are more likely to contract HIV than gay males….
Also, lesbian females are the group with the lowest frequency for contracting AIDS.
W00t go us! But only if we stay away from bi girls.
XD Well, there goes my “sure thing” girls…
Not all of us bi girls have AIDS! XD
you disgust me.
lesbians account for most of the P*rn on the internet.
And what’s wrong with that?
Bee has a very good point EHW, lesbian porn is awesome!
so what about the male/female porn on the internet? not a problem? oh and also, lesbians dont account for most of the porn. they’re mostly straight chicks who do it for money…and fyi thats not the same as ‘choosing’ to be lesbian. you could choose to have sex with some ugly chick but not choose to be attracted to her. same thing.
Everyone can get AIDS not just Gays. When was the last time you had a STD test? I bet NEVER!
By that thinking, straight sex – consequence: all of the various sexually-transmitted diseases known to man … including HIV. (AIDS is the syndrome brought on by infection with HIV. One doesn’t catch AIDS, one catches HIV. AIDS is the body’s response to that virus … eventually.)
AIDS is (and this may surprise you) not passed on by marriage, rather is contracted by having infected blood or fluids make contact with your blood or fluids. You might want to get tested if you are under the misconception that AIDS is only for gay people- you never know!
Aids has nothing to with one’s sexual preference, dumbass.
Straight people get AIDS too; it’s not a consequence of homosexuality.
It’s even worse than that; people of the same sex where never meant to marry, and as a result you can look online for the number of STDs created by same sex marriages.
no because a) lesbians can’t get aids unless they use drugs or for some reason have sex with men and b) MARRIED PEOPLE DON’T SPRED AIDS
wrong on both points. sorry.
Recursive graph is recursive. This would eat up a lot of cpu cycles.
but gay people can only adopt children not create if everyone in this world was gay there would be no reproduction…..and thus the end of civilization
That is got to be *THE* stupidest thing I have ever heard. There are vastly more straight people than gay and therefore we will never have “no” reproduction. Besides gay people exist whether or not legalized marriage exists. I seriously hope you’re joking. If not than take your thumb out of your mouth, it’s almost time for finger painting (right after play time).
Dude! WTF? ok… First of all, that would be impossible. You know about artificial insemination, right? Gay men donate semen, and Lesbian women carry the baby. It happens all the time, without everyone “going gay”.
Heh heh. I’m a lesbian, having kids using my wife’s gay brother as the donor. He’s gay, so am I, no sex involved, yet we have kids. Also, dunno where people get the idea a doctor needs to be involved. I’m gay, not sterile. All the plumbing still works.
that’s pretty cool that your wife is a lesbian and her brother is gay. what are the odds of a family having two homosexual kids?
If everyone was truthful, you would find that a family having 2 gay children is quite common.
But people lie about everything. Even that they are gay. Go figure.
No doubt about that… but it’s not a matter of it working out or not it is a moral issue. Marriage is the sacred unity of A MAN AND A WOMEN, and seeing how we christians believe that, we are quite obligated to tell you how wrong you are.
John Wayne.
“women” is the plural form of woman, so how many WOMEN need to be in this sacred unity?
Ever heard of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE????
Major failure in thinking here. “We Christians believe. You don’t. You are wrong.”
We should adopt, be us straight or gay. Why increase the already overpopulated population when we could help save children who have no parents? Anyway, it’s called surrogacy, gays do it too. Like in Baby Mama.
obvious troll apparently wasn’t obvious
Consequences of posting a graph someone else did a while back, about as tragic as the consequences of gay marriage.
(Not at all, that is…)
Yeah, it wasn’t even quite a while back. Just a month or two
This is the third time, I believe.
I guess that means you’re gay
no it doesnt… do you have to be gay to think that people are stupid to disapprove gay marriage? does this mean you oppose it?
Um, no, people can support gay marriage be they gay or straight. I for example support gay marriage 100%, and I’m not gay, to my currrent knowledge. It is honestly surprising that anyone would NOT support gay marriage/rights.
You forgot “Gays get divorced”!!!! You people are not getting out of THAT easy!
Yeah, and don’t forgot Gay Custody battles, Gay honeymoons, Gay (double?) Bachelor Parties, Gay anniversaries.
I think the gay double bachelor party would be counter to the bachelor party concept. So, separate gay bachelor(ette) parties!
“You people?” Geez.
Clearly you are hateful and angry at a concept that has nothing to do with your own failings and incompetence. Please grow a pair and then castrate yourself.
You fail so hard, it is not even funny. I am all for homosexual marriage. Please turn your sense of humor on and read it again.
Your attempt at covering up your fears and refusals to understand what is clearly foreign to you is quite humorous. Unfortunately your stain will never be washed from the earth without bleach. Please go drink some.
… The divorce rate in the US is currently 41% for first marriages, 60% for second marriages, and 73% for third marriages. Bear in mind that, in most states, gay marriage is still considered unlawful. Your response?
My response is “Whoosh” the sound of sarcasm flying over your head.
PWNED!!!!!!!!
AND IF THE # OF GAY MARRIAGES COULD BE PUT TO A PERCENTAGE SO WE COULD FIND THE PERCENT OF DIVORCES, I HIGHLY DOUBT IT WOULD BE BETTER.
and you forgot ‘straights get divorced’. gays are people too and as long as it is legal, divorce will be a part of marriage-straight or not.
Consequences of a repost.
0% lulz
100% Fail
This comment – WIN
Maybe the owners of the site are trying to make a point?
That they’re gay and everyone should be ok with it? There will always be racist, sexist, homophobic and/or generally intolerant people to disapprove of everything and everyone that can’t deemed “normal” to them, whatever that may be.
There’s no point to be made, open-minded people don’t care, close-minded people don’t want things to change, gay people that aren’t activists don’t want the attention, gay activists only do it for the attention and just about everyone else simply doesn’t believe in marriage anymore and wonder why the f*ck gay people are fighting for the right to sign a contract which will inevitably ruin their lives.
There is a point to be made. As a non-activist, I do appreciate all the effort activists are putting / have put into getting marriage equality and anti discrimination laws passed around the country.
If you think gay activists ‘only do it for the attention,’ you probably haven’t talked to many, if any, at length.
This is the most logical and intelligent posting I’ve read.
Perhaps I should explain some more. The ‘point’ that they may have been trying to make could be that everyone has opinions. They are not right, yet they are not wrong. That is why they’re called ‘opinions’.
wow you sound so angry. ppl still deserve the right to have all the same protections and choices. despite race gender age sexual orientation and such. and as an activist i dont just do it for the attention, i fight for equal rights because i believe change is possible, and i believe all ppl deserve equal rights and the right to the pursuit of happiness.
Exactly. Remember when women weren’t considered ‘people’? That wasn’t quite as long ago as some people insist. I’ve heard people say that ‘In the 1700s women couldn’t even speak w/o permission’. While this may be true, women didn’t get their equal rights until the 1960s. I hope that someday the homosexual community will gain their equal rights as well. And African Americans had a war about them, and they finally have equality. Why can’t we all just get along? While I agree that there will always be racism and sexism and homophobia, is there a reason? I ask this as a GENUINE question and I apologize for offending anyone.
The United States Constitution guarantees the right to ‘Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness’ and denying homosexuals the right to marry is a violation of our countries oldest and most revered laws. If being married makes them happy, then nothing should be done to keep them from their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
I agree but still we aren’t treated exactly equal, more so than the 1700′s but still men are considered “better” to most.
I am aware of this. Women are often paid lower wages than men, and even though I am a male, it outrages me. Who’s to say that these women aren’t mothers? They need to be able to support themselves and their children, and hopefully she is married. If she is married, then she has a husband to work too so they can both provide. But I know too many single mothers that are struggling with bringing even macaroni and cheese home to their children!
*raises her hand and points to self*
What is wrong with you?! Only do it for ATTENTION?! How would you feel if the majority of the world was homosexual, and tons of people hated you just because you were straight? Would you be trying to get equal rights for gay and straight people just for attention? No, you would do it because it mattered to you.
You, sir, are freaking awesome.
Plus 9001 internets to you.
IF EVERYONE ELSE WAS GAY OR LESBO, EVERYONE ELSE WOULD STILL BE WRONG. GOD’S LAW IS FINAL NO MATTER WHAT.
P-P-P-PWNED!!!!!!!!
YOU, ME, ARE A GENIUS.
Now what was that law that states that Person+computer+anonymity=Flame wars?
To true.
TOTAL FREAKING ASTONISHING WIN.
Now do one for straight marriage.
If someone made a graph with all of the potential consequences that can come from a “straight” marriage, there would be a gazillion colors on the dang thing!
There is a reason the Gay Flag has a rainbow on the damn thing! Come one, come all, color, race or creed & gender. No one cares. You are accepted just as you are, for who you are. No matter what you look like, what gender your sexual preference might be (even if you are straight), etc.
We all have our issues.
be well.
Oh yeah, the gay world is wonderful and straight marriages cause all kinds of problems.
I have no problem with gay people doing whatever they want to do, but I don’t get why some people want to make out that the gay world is perfect, or that gays are somehow ‘better people’. I’m sure that plenty of gay marriages do have bad consequences. Especially for some of the kids brought up in such families. *In some cases*.
I don’t think anyone claims that gays are better, but given the fact that they (still) are not equal, they are more empathetic to what it feels like to be discriminated against– meaning it is less likely to happen among them. Not exclusively, of course, but there’s a reason that people who are oppressed are generally more accepting and it’s because they know how it feels.
Not equal!? WHAT THE HECK, MAN!?? Marriage is defined as a unity between man and woman!!!!! You…
(transforms to EHW2)
What my calmer alter ego is trying to say is…
AT LEAST WE DON’T F@#$ING KILL THEM LIKE IN CERTAIN ISLAM COUNTRIES! GAY’S HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, RIGHT TO EVERYTHING IN OUR CONSTITUTION THAT IS OF AMERICA, A COUNTRY WHICH RECOGNIZES THE DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE MENTIONED ABOVE.
UNTIL THESE PH4G5 REMEMBER THAT DEF., THEY WILL JUST KEEP THINKING THEY’RE OPPRESSED, WHILE IN REALITY THEY’RE JUST WRONG FOR ASSAULTING SACRED VALUES, AND YOU’LL THINK SO TOO!! GOD BLESS YOU AND HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY!!!!!!!!
Indeed, gay flag has a rainbow on it.
Rainbow is desecrated by a bounch of morons.
YEAH!!! now this is what I’m talking about!
I think that’s the third time i see this one here.
It’s Gay Pride season, which probably explains the repost. And you guys’ homophobic crap is a bigger fail than any repost could ever be.
True dat.
So thinking this is a lame graph = homophobic?
No, but most of the commenters aren’t leaving it at that, now are they?
“Most of the commenters”
You mean two? The ones who said “It means your gay” ?
And that’s not even homophobic…
It may not be homophobic, but it’s still demeaning. By saying it, it’s implied that there is something wrong with being homosexual
YEP. NAILED IN ONE.
Wait a sec, someone complaining about a repost is homophobic? What kind of logic is that?
Someone complaining about a repost isn’t homophobic in itself, but what about all the other snark they’re throwing in for good measure, like “if you support gay rights you must be gay”?
“All the other snark…”
I count one comment like that. I’m sure there may be more later, but as of now, there is one. Not exactly a landslide of homophobia.
Agreed
This is HORRIBLE. Why would you even say something like this?
Are you asking why he would say that gay marriage is completely harmless? Wow.
I’m thinking it’s a nesting fail
You do know that the only color actually in the pie chart is red, right? The color that says “gays marry.” All the other colors are just there to show why it’s pointless to ban gay marriage.
first off…repost = boring
second…graph doesn’t make sense
you see, by definition, Marriage = Man + Woman
What gays rilly want, is a certificate of acceptance of society. A document from the government that says “I hereby declare that we accept your gayhood and condone, exalt, consent and in all other ways LOVE your man on man or Woman on Woman lovins. Oh, and heres your tax break.”
What you do in your house is up to you. Asking me to change the definition of something that is supposed to be sacred (yeah yeah, I know that no one respects it anymore) is not on the list of things to do. Apparently not even in California
[Prop 8 anyone?]
So, live your life, but don’t expect me to throw a parade for the degradation of society. I don’t celebrate any of these either:
1) the fall of the constitution
2) the ignorance of America
3) fornicaction
4) adultery
5) Pornography
6) child abusers
7) spouse abusers
8) drug users
9) Homosexuality
10) violence
11) gang activity
etc,etc ad naseum
I also won’t redefine any of the above items as ‘good’ either. And DON’T think this makes me a ‘homophobe’ (afraid of homosexuality). I’m not. I’m just -gasp- Against it!
3) fornicaction (has always existed)
4) adultery (has always existed)
5) Pornography (has always existed)
6) child abusers (has always existed)
7) spouse abusers (has always existed)
8) drug users (has always existed)
9) Homosexuality (has always existed)
10) violence (has always existed)
11) gang activity (has always existed)
Shut up.
PS: using a latin expression doesn’t make your comment seem any more valid.
and your point is?
stating that something has always existed doesn’t make it any less wrong…
yeah really.
diplos just mad cause hes gay
That’s like saying”You’re stupid cause you’re straight”. Wait, you are stupid. Hm, never mind.
Wait, you’re saying feelings on issues stem from being gay or straight? That makes no sense…
so you are gay DiploDuplo?
Yes. I am.
hahahahahah!
What’s the hahahaha about that?
Really, I don’t see why gays/gay marriage is wrong? :/
“Only in America” I suppose? (<-common expression used in Europe to describe ridiculous statements, facts, laws,…from the USA)
I agree. I’m an American, and I say “Only in America!” I, for one, think that people can be who they want (though wanting to be a murderer might be a bad thing…well, I guess I can say “…as long as there’s no insane violence involved.
)
Not only here, sadly. Uganda? Malawi? South America is dealing with anti-gay sentiment, but I forget where exactly.
DITTO!
No you shut up. Honestly.
AMEN!!
i cant tell if your being an asshole or not but i could grasp that your against homosexuality that was simple and i got your opinion across entirely now heres mine
christianity wasnt the only religion or cultural movement with a form of “marriage” now im not sure i dont study the stuff but im damn sure that theres at least one culture/religion that allows homosexual marriage
secondly sure homosexual mariage gets a tax break but i dont think they just wanna get married for a tax break and if you know anybody that has gotten married because they got a tax break does that make them better? and the certificate saying “we accept your homosexuality” well what if we just threw you out of society wouldnt you want back in? now of course this is a hyperbole but it gets my point across\
now to ask questions about this
1) the fall of the constitution (what does it have to do with homosexuality)
2) the ignorance of America (what does it have to do with homosexuality)
3) fornicaction (ok everybody has sex it happens and homosexual fornication is no different so this is valid imo)
4) adultery (pretty sure some gays have cheated hell ive seen it on cheaters so valid)
5) Pornography (what does it have to do with homosexuality)
6) child abusers (adopt child. abuse it? i guess it could happen. half valid)
7) spouse abusers (this could happen in a gay relationship so valid imo)
8 ) drug users (what does this directly have to do with homosexuality)
9) Homosexuality (this is the issue itself so no comment here)
10) violence (from what ive seen lotsa gays are kinda panzy-ish male and female so i dont really see this validity)
11) gang activity (the gay gang? lol)
if im not seeing the point to these please state your response
now also before anybody on either side flames me heres a little bout myself
1. im male
2. im completely heterosexual (straight)
3. this is my OPINION and the one above it is his i do not hold any scorn against him im simply stating my side of it
4. i don not want to start a flame war i just enoy calm debate of conflicting viewpoints
you sir win the internet
He’s saying that he equates homosexuality with other deviant behaviors. like, I don’t like murder, so I lump it in with theft, extortion, etc. cause they are all crime. Homosexuality is lumped in because he views it as bad.
You can’t legislate people’s opinion. Banning homosexuality won’t stop people from engaging in homosexual acts, any more than making gay marriage legal wont make it any more socially acceptable to people who are against it.
Personally, I think that marriage itself is the domain of the church(temple/mosque/etc.) and not the government. I have no issues with gay marriage at all, I take issue with the federal government forbidding/mandating gay marriage.
If one church bans gay marriage, that’s fine with me.
If another one down the street allows it, that’s fine with me as well.
the issue with gays (not all of ‘em, just the loudest ones) is that they don’t want any church or government to simply accept them, they want to the WHOLE SOCIETY to accept them which will of course never happen, simply speaking they’re so-called “attention whores” who have nothing better to do than to make other angry
other people*
“they want to the WHOLE SOCIETY to accept them”
Humans are social creatures. We like attention from others, and to be part of groups. So, yeah, gays want everyone to accept them. So does almost every other person and group. And just as with gays, not everyone will. That doesn’t make them bad for wanting it.
CAtually most gays just want to marry the people they love and being gay does not equal wanting attention. Yes there are some people like that but aren’t lots of straight people like that too?
From my experience, they want the legal rights that are afforded TO the rest of society.
As a trans bi woman, idgaf if you ACCEPT me. But I damn sure want the same legal rights that a straight person has.
Please correct me if I misunderstood you, but it appears you are saying straight people don’t want to be accepted. I… don’t get it. I’m straight, and want to be accepted. In fact, many people at the school I go to don’t accept me as a human, so I understand that every person needs attention.
god hates homosexuallity.
God is fictional so who cares?
“God is Fictional” is Fiction
“God is fictional” is the opposite of fiction. I can prove God doesn’t exist, can you prove the opposite? And before you answer, get a dictionary and look up the definition of “proof”.
Logically speaking, it is impossible to prove a negative. You may prove that it is highly unlikely that God exists, but you cannot prove conclusively that God doesn’t exist. You also can’t prove conclusively that flying telepathic dolphins don’t exist. So don’t go claiming you can do the impossible, it kind of undermines your argument.
Psychologically speaking, this person believes that God exists, so trying to change his/her mind by arguing that She doesn’t exist is an exercise in futility. Whether God really exists or not is irrelevant, because this person believes that God does.
But any Christian who believes that God hates homosexuality has just not studied enough. I have a B.A. in Theology, and I think the Bible needs to come with a warning label about 1. questionable word translations and 2. taking into account the historical context of the writer, and separating the writer’s cultural biases from the theological content.
If you don’t interpret it correctly, the Bible also says it’s OK to stone your mother to death for making a shirt out of two different fabrics. And that racial discrimination was ordained by God. And that women should not be allowed to speak in public. The prohibition against homosexuality falls into that same category of “old discriminatory rules that we now realize are stupid.”
Natural Selection has been proven scientifically. There is absolutely no proof that god exists, but there is proven evidence that Darwinism is at least partially correct. Surprisingly, I am not an atheist. O.o
OMG, ANOTHER ONE!!!
…and i thought this place was only full of uber-christian anti-gays and mega-liberal equality gladiators ^^
btw: i’m gay AND conservative/republican AND believe in God(woooo, twilight zone!)
Dshep, this is something that I always try to explain to people and they never understand, thank you for pointing this out.
I am a heterosexual christian female who supports gay rights in general. I feel like one day, were going to look back on this, and our great grand children wont be able to believe that gays weren’t given equal rights, just like we look back and can’t believe we used to have slaves, or women weren’t equal to men.
“Logically speaking, it is impossible to prove a negative. You may prove that it is highly unlikely that God exists, but you cannot prove conclusively that God doesn’t exist. You also can’t prove conclusively that flying telepathic dolphins don’t exist. So don’t go claiming you can do the impossible, it kind of undermines your argument”
P then no-Q
P, therefore, No-Q
P, then, Q
no-Q, therefore, no-P
OH MY GOD HOW DID I DO THAT???!!!
(P and Q) then R
P, therefore, (Q then R)
—
Q
no-R
no(P and Q)
noP or noQ
no-Q or R
R
—–
no-R then R
R or R
R
—-
Q then R
Yeah, yeah, I could’ve done it without the reduction, but I can obviously construct a proof for a negative, logically speaking, I can actually use negatives to construct proofs.
Intiucionism is a piece of metaphysical crap.
Thank you DShep. I <3 u soo much(but not in the creepy way!) yeah, once Jesus died for our sins, a lot of those laws changed.
No, your definition f god hates homosexuality. god is, by definition, love.
God does not exist you silly sod.
YOU DON’T EXIST. YOU JUST LEAVE YOUR WORDS ON THIS WEBSITE AND THEY APPEAR ON MY COMPUTER SCREEN, BUT I KNOW IT’S JUST A PROGRAM DESIGNED BY THE COMPUTER TO GIVE ME SOMETHING TO DO.
YOU MUST FEEL SOOOOOO SILLY.
YOU DONT EXIST. ITS NOT REALLY YOU WRITING, BUT A FEW PEOPLE WHO THINK YOU DO IN ORDER TO HAVE SOCIAL CONTROL.
you, sir, must feel so silly.
Wow..Does God talk to you directly? Are you part of westboro baptist church? Phelps and his peeps say the same thing. Now ..I had a long talk with Jesus and he says shame,shame on the people that hate anyone, they will be gay next time around, hehe
And how do you, a mere human, know that your god hates homosexuality? I mean, if he exists. Which, even though there’s no proof that he doesn’t, there’s not proof that he does either. There’s things people have said like “NOAHS ARK OMGOMGOMG” and “JESUS DIDE 4 OWR SINS”, but both of those are tales that can be told. Where’s Noah’s ark as evidence? Where’s Jesus’s dead body?
No he doesn’t.
He had a batchelor son who hung out with the riff-raff of the community and never married. He was past 30 when he died. He had an uncommon love for his mother. His earth father basically stayed out of the picture.
duh
I totally agree, Seagull, that makes a lot of sense.
I agree. seperation of church and state should make the government say that “marrage is a sacrid union between man and women” is not a valid arugument in the courts because the word sacrid is a religious word with religious context. The problem is getting a civil union and since our country has never given the definition of marrage beyond a union of two people, then their should be no reason for gays getting a civil union and all the benefits that come with it. (like being in the hospatal room with one’s spouce when their sick and dieing.
So… Just because someone is gay, they shouldn’t be able to be there next to the one they love when he or she is badly hurt? They should be kept from the hospital room and possibly never get to say their final goodbye? And the family should be allowed to kick them out of the funeral?
I’ve actually heard of that happening before. It’s sad and it’s incredibly idiotic.
I know, right? *shakes head* OiA… OiA…
It’s amazing that now that gays want to marry, people start talking about how “government shouldn’t be involved in marriage”. Where were you guys back when, say, the government wanted to give people tax breaks for marriage? That’s the government getting involved in marriage.
I wasn’t alive back then and it was a more christian american era. wiccas were hippies, jews were strange, muslums were annoying. most people in suburben neighborhoods were expected to be christian.
Don’t get me started on Taxes, our current tax system is an abomination. As far as I’m concerned, everyone should have an equal tax responsibility. Let the states worry about single/married/Head of Household.
The problem with this statement is that the institution of marriage is recognized by our government-you can even go to a judge and get married, totally removed from the domain of any religion. As a married person you have a special status that is legally recognized in our society, this is also separate from any church. I find it shocking and heartbreaking that, once again, the “haves” are blocking the “have nots” from access to something and they are pulling all kinds of silly reasons why the “have nots” should be denied that access.
-Saying that gay marriage leads to the breakup of more marriages is just silliness. From what I am able to gather this assertion is implied as that when a gay marriage happens in a family the straight marriages of other family members is at risk because of the gay marriage… How a healthy marriage of one couple would be destroyed by the marriage of someone else, well that just makes no sense at all. Perhaps some shaky marriages use that as an excuse, but that is all it is, an excuse and so it is not valid. I find it offensive that they even call the denial of marriage to same sex couples a “DEFENSE” of marriage, from whom are you defending your marriage, and how does the relationship of someone else cause harm to YOUR marriage? If your marriage is so weak and fragile that it can not stand someone else that you don’t even know also having access to something, well, it is going to take a lot more than this to make your marriage mean anything.
-Children. People say that the biology of a same sex couple makes it impossible for them to reproduce between themselves, so that is supposedly a reason to deny the couple access to marriage. Until we have a binding requirement that all married couples must produce at least one child and that infertile persons are also not allowed to marry, this argument is insulting and invalid. As far as saying that it requires one male parent and one female parent to raise a child, which would mean that people with children may not get divorced and single parents that have never been married or become widowed loose their child to a married couple, this argument is invalidated also.
So, what else? The Bible, until you follow the other Hebrew laws of the Bible that appear in the same passages as the sentences or parts of sentences that some folks are saying mean god hates people who are homosexual, this is just foolishness. The ancient book that has been translated and translations of those translations are translated to create the book we know as the Bible is very easy to take pieces and parts and do everything from validate slavery to
^__^ *highfives*
Ahhh, I love you. OuO
But apparently the denigration of spelling and the English language is just fine. “Rilly” isn’t a word.
Marriage isn’t sacred. The act was originally the exchange of property, the woman was property given over to the man. HENSE why women take the mans last name to this day–because she is “traditionally” his property. But then again, women being inferior to men is a sacred age old custom now isn’t it?
women couldn’t even vote till the womens suffrage. gays women and poor people … we are pretty much all kicked around by the rich white men who refuse to recognize their privilege
Aaaaand after a while men of other races.
8) drug users
Sorry – grammar Nazi here. This is for Truthorconsequences. The rest of you are excused. Please exit to the playground in an orderly fashion.
It is “etc.” (please note the period, as it is an abbreviation). Also it is spelled “ad nauseaum.” So my point is that if you are going to try to impress us with using a Latin phrase – please at least spell it correctly. Aunt Fifi is very upset with you.
Win.
you fail to take into consideration that this has nothing to do with the church and everything to do with the laws of the US so you don’t have to accept anything or even be fore it but you don’t have the right to tell someone else that they cannot have the same rights that you have
So your saying that people are only gay to be accepted by society, and for tax breaks? You sir, are just plain stupid. That’s like saying I’m straight just because i want to beat my wife, divorce her, and emotionally scar my children for life. (for the record, I’m 16, this is all hypothetical). People are gay because they ARE, that’s it. A man will like a man because that’s the way he is, same with women. I can just tell you’re very a conservative guy, but guess what, it’s the 21st century! Things are changing! If Bob and Joe get married, is YOUR LIFE affected in any way? I didn’t think so! You said “live your life,” but that’s hat people should be saying to you, live your life, and don’t worry about other people’s views, sexual preferences, etc.
THIS is an example of someone being a prejudice
Your definition of marriage as 1 man + 1 woman is impressively narrow. Throughout most of history, that’s not how it was defined at all. Even in the Bible, polygamy was very common.
I find it interesting that you deplore the fall of the Constitution yet you say that marriage should be sacred. One of the basic, fundamental principles of our whole government setup is the separation of Church and State. Check the First Amendment. So any Biblically- or religiously-based argument against gay marriage is completely irrelevant.
Our government treats marriage as a legal contract between two individuals, which results in those individuals being treated, in many cases, as a single entity. They can file taxes together, make medical decisions for each other, etc. In any other case, telling someone they cannot enter a legal contract because they are the wrong gender would be a violation of federal discrimination laws. Why is an exception made for marriage?
#3 made me LOL. You’re against fornication? Um… do you even know what that word means? The only reason any of us are here is because of fornication. Maybe you meant that you disapprove of fornication outside of marriage? In that case, you should let gays marry so they won’t be doin’ all that extramarital fornicating.
Also, a final note, the Latin is always a bit more impressive if you spell it correctly.
Thank you, Truthorconsequences. Thank you. Sanity.
No. Your opinion is *VOID*; this is the twenty-first century and anyone that holds to the idea that things like pornography or homosexuality are in any way unnatural or harmful is a part of the problem with society, not the solution.
People like you live in a backwards world based on an arbitrary set of “values” that define strictly a “family” and exclude a slew of people whom you deem somehow lesser than you. This kind of mindset has held back society from advancement; it happened innumerable times in history and continues to happen, in countries WE deem “backwards; tyrannical.”
If America views the predominantly harsh dictatorships prevalent in the middle east and underdeveloped countries to be wrong, as we do, then it is the HEIGHT of hypocrisy to label a large part of our own people as “less than ourselves,” or in any way wrong.
Furthermore I find it disgusting that you group child abusers with homosexuality. These two are completely unrelated and anyone who thinks so is taking place in a stomach-wrenching display of ignorance and arrogance.
In addition, just because YOU (btw who the hell are YOU to decide what should and should not be) don’t “agree” with homosexuality gives you NO right to decide law for people whom it would affect. These gay marriage laws affect one group of people: gays. It will not break up families nor destroy the world; it will allow gays who want to be committed to someone they find fulfills them in every way to display their love for one another in a ceremony and status that heterosexuals have been participating in for millennia.
In conclusion, you are a homophobe, a hypocrite, and most amusingly probably a closet case.
Seriously, pornography is in no way harmful?
Also, (s)he didn’t group child abusers with homosexuals except to say that (s)he didn’t agree with either of them.
Furthermore, I would argue that if someone doesn’t “agree” with something then, they are perfectly entitled to argue that viewpoint, even if it doesn’t affect them directly, because it affects society in general – and if enough people feel the same way, then they have every right to ‘decide law’ about it. That’s how democracy works.
And I do find it amusing the number of people who get accused of being ‘probably closet gay’ when they speak up “against” homosexuality in any way.
you have stupid points in an argument i agree with
“If America views the predominantly harsh dictatorships prevalent in the middle east and underdeveloped countries to be wrong, as we do, then it is the HEIGHT of hypocrisy to label a large part of our own people as “less than ourselves,” or in any way wrong.”
uhm not everybodt that things those tyranicall dictatorships make them lower than us i believe the tyrants should be executed in a horrendous way but i dont see anybody over there that i dont know as lower than me infact its hard to make me think that somebody is lower than anybody and im sure im not alone in that
“who the hell are YOU to decide what should and should not be”
arent you doing the exact same thing just on the opposing side of the arguement? hes saying they SHOULD NOT and your saying the SHOULD so in that your going against you own logic while i am not against your stanpoint of allowing gays full rights i simply hate when people speak irrationally im also sure there are probably other problems with what you said im just at school and dont have the time to anylize it properly
also to all grammar nazis:
i have never been able to grasp proper punctuation so just shut up
yes my spelling somewhere might be wrong im an ok typist but i still mess up also i dare you to say you have never misspelled something
Oooh, yes, please tell me more about what it is that I and every other queer person wants. Seriously. I’d like to know what I want!
Homophobia, today, is defined as intolerance of homosexuality, not necessarily a fear of homosexuality. Therefore, you ARE, indeed, a homophobe.
you know… homophobic doesn’t ONLY mean that you’re afraid of gay people. actually, I know people that HATE gays, but they aren’t afraid of them… I for one totally support the gays! I go to pride marches, I’m in my school’s GSA. And do you know why? Because I’m a lesbian! And I hope that someday, people wouldn’t HAVE to stay in the closet, because of you stupid dweebs! Stop hatin’, and start learning… You ignorant people. So hilarious.
if you want people to like you why are you insulting them as a whole? i reccomend not doing that, more flys with honey and such
actually leave out a dish of honey and a dish of vinegar. the vinegar will collect more files, actually. and what would you want to do with a crapload of flies anyway? feed ‘em to a lizard or something?
if you really want to protect the sanctity of marriage why are you not fighting to outlaw divorce? instead of trying to keep ppl who love each other from the same basic rights?
Then how about we make a ceremony that’s exactly like marriage, but call it something totally different and say only gays can do it? Will that please you?
inb4 partnerships, etc. because those don’t grant full rights.
Actually, by definition, marriage is the joining of a couple, which doesn’t specifically mean man+woman. Therefor you are wrong there.
Oh, and Prop 8 is in my opinion unconstitutional, because it violates the rights of gay people. Therefor it passing should offend you, because it is degrading the constitution, and shows the ignorance of America (or at least a fair number of Californians).
I am strait as well, so don’t just say I’m supporting gays because I’m gay.
-gasp-then don’t have a same sex marriage. There! Problem solved.
Yay!
dude. not cool. this is how it goes.
20%=gays marry
10%=Russia invades
25%=judgement day begins
35%= FAMILIES ARE DESTROYED
10%= ice caps melt
gay marrige is NOT what God wants. gay marrige is not cool, it just makes you look mentally handicapped. nobody looks at gay people and says “well, aren’t they cool!”
There are consequences for gay marrige. God HATES it. On judgement day, you will be ashamed. The bible says that there is no place in heaven for homosexuality. gays, stick that in your juice box and SUCK IT.
can’t say i agree with that, as far as i know bible and the teachings of most of the churches, God doesn’t “hate” anything or anyone, God is forgiving and loving etc. Hate on the other hand is the domain of “satan” IMHO
your right, i got it wrong. he can’t stand it.
You still got it wrong. God, who is fictional by the way, loves and forgives. There is no circumstance under which he would “not stand” anything. Why don’t you read your own bible sometime and brush up on what it says?
why dont you read it? it does in fact say that he can’t stand it. God is not fictional. so why did you say”god, who is fictional, loves and forgives” if he doesn’t exist, hhhmmmm?
make a decision!
The bible doesn’t speak about homosexuality, the church does.
Church =/= faith or god
Church is just a bunch of twats, stating their opinion as facts, who have lost the true faith themselves. God is loving and forgiving to everyone, so is Jesus, so should you act.
And you can’t deny a fact which is so obiously present in our society, can you? :/
I was only catering to your fantasy by pointing out the rules in the work of fiction known as the bible. So if the bible says he can’t stand it then he’s obviously not all about love and forgiveness, is he?
Like the entire Christian faith, what you believe is based on complete contradiction. Either he loves and forgives, or he doesn’t. PICK ONE. You cannot have it both ways. “can’t stand it” suggests hatred, dislike, intolerance. Is that what your God is all about or not? Figure it out and get back to me.
he still loves and forgives, but its the sin he can’t stand. and to Meh, I go to church, just to let you know, and i don’t appreciate being called a twat.
Before I begin, I would like to let you know that I have attended church regularly and therefore know of Christianity and the Bible decently. From my understanding, God loves all his children, and sent his only son to die for our sins. Would this God, that created and loves all he has created, also hate his children that are homosexual? I understand as to how it could be frowned upon, seeing that marriage symbolized the meeting of man (the groom) and the church (the bride). But God, the maker of the Earth and all that is the universe, is also a being of love. He would understand the bond of two people that love each other, for he loves his children. Why would this understanding and loving God condemn those who love, and others that understand? By that, I mean why would he condemn homosexuals, bisexuals, transvestites, and those that support their love? God, from what I understand, loves, understands, and forgives. Why should he condemn those that love and those that support their love, when he sent his Son to the cross for ALL’S sins? When He sent Him to the cross, did He already condemn the homosexuals and denied them forgiveness? This is the main reason why I have doubted, and later dropped, Christianity as my religion. It’s not quite a religion, but I have adopted the belief of equality and acceptance. I have always believed in equality and acceptance, but this is a newly built foundation in the ideas. This topic holds especially strong for me, because I am in love with a female. I am a female as well. I don’t discriminate against heterosexuals, or anyone else for that matter. I understand the desire to be accepted. Society, in general, frowns upon differences, especially in this matter. But wanting gay marriage to be legalized is not a cry for attention, or a plea to be accepted. In reality, it’s just a request for equality. We understand that not everyone will accept homosexuality. There has never been an instance of total acceptance. Our love is barred from being proclaimed due to fear of discrimination, and we are barred from marriage because of, in my opinion, trivial reasons. Sure, we welcome a wider acceptance of our orientation, but we mostly want to be considered people. There was the Civil War, Women’s Suffrage, and now there is the fight for Gay Rights. There are many reasons why gay marriage should be accepted. HIV/AIDS can be contracted by anyone, regardless of sexual orientation. Homosexual relationships tend to last longer than heterosexual relationships. Families can be destroyed by any bad marriage, heterosexual or homosexual, and there can also be a chance of a stronger bond in family relations, by either heterosexual or homosexual. I honestly think, in my own humble opinion, that more people should open up their minds and see the world around them. Please note that I said “more people” and not “all people.”
This.
I’m not christian, and I love you.
(in a non romantic way)
… What? I am afraid that I cannot understand your logic. What you claim is that if God were a fictional character, then that would imply that he couldn’t possibly have a characteristic like forgiveness, he can either be fictional and not have a personality, or be real and be forgiving?
Being a lover of fiction books, I will have to disagree. A fictional character can technically have any characteristic or personality, simply because they are fiction. If I were to create a fictional character that had three arms and was very stubborn, it wouldn’t matter, and there could be no possible argument against it, because they are FICTION.
Therefore God could be fictional AND be able to love and forgive at the same time.
I don’t have any concrete religion, nor do I believe, or not believe in god, but I do think that people make too much of a big deal about these sort of things, honestly, whatever side you’re on, there is no need to name-call or swear. In fact it probably damages your case.
the jolly green giant, which is fictional, is jolly and green.
just because he doesn’t exist doesn’t mean he isn’t jolly and green!
… *sigh* god well then let me state my opinion on your story of it now look not many of these are directly attacking your opinion
why should you believe a god that
created all the evil in the world and if he didnt make it still allows it to be around
he created us in him image are we perfect? hell no so by that logic god isnt either is he?
bible = book, harry potter = book so should i go try and fly my broom now?
i have to go so i cant finish my post but ive made a small point i might come back later
Ha ha! You see, there’s a slight paradox in Christian thinking: they claim that their god created EVERYTHING. Therefore, their god created evil. But they believe everything their god created is by its very nature good (because their god created it). Yet their god created evil; therefore, evil is good by this argument.
without evil there would be no good (and the other way round too)
Evil can be defined as the absence of good.
God created everything, and then allowed us the choice not to follow him .
God is love, but God is also just.
A parent will set rules for their children, and will punish them if they stray from those rules – It doesn’t mean that the parent hates the child? absolutely not.
Lastly – A person who eats overindulges in food, will become fat. You can say that they have a genetic predisposition to eating, or retaining weight, etc. And it might be very hard for them to quit overindulging. The bottom line is that over-eating is still a choice.
People who engage in homosexuality are still making a choice. they may never have a desire for the other sex. However, it’s still a choice to engage in it. God loves everyone, he hates the action.
Evil cant really be defined because ther is no such thing as evil. Evil is an entirely human concept so has no place in the natural world.
*Hi-fives*
I want to start by saying Im a homosexual and my ex husband was a pastor while we were married so i do know the bible and the churches teachings and what some of you are saying is just insane….
* First marriage is considered sacred in the bible because it was intended for a man and a woman (adam and eve) but back than homosexuality was around but was considered dont ask dont tell and many were married to an opposite spouse to cover the fact that they were gay….
* second evil exists in this world becasue there has to be a balence god created FREE WILL giving us the choice to chose what we want if there was only good in this world how would we have free will? also god did try to create this world without a form of evil he did that with the garden of eden but in order for him to create a perfect sanctuary and still keep free will in play he had to place a temptation eve CHOSE to eat the apple than give some to adam who chose to take a bite even knowing that he wasnt suppost to… thus giving him the knowlage of the world and creating sin….
*Third… Homosexuality did exist in the bible and is talked about in the story of sodom and glamora (sp?) and yes the city was distroyed for for its overwelming amount of sin… includeing homesexuality
*fourth…. yes god dislikes homosexuality and does consider it a sin in the bible… but he loves his children… he gives us the choice to choose what we do with our lives and how we want to live them includeing who our partner is… it is still our choice to see it as wrong
* and finally the bible also says that ONLY GOD is to judge us on judgement day that he did not place us on this earth to judge others but to love thy neighbor as your brother regardless of there mistakes and to forgive them of mistakes and hurts towards you even if they dont ask for your forgiveness for YOU can not be forgivin by god if you refuse to forgive others and he will look away and treat you not as his child… to him you choseing not to love and forgive is the same sin as murder in his book.
im not saying that you have to agree with our life style or even accept it as your own but we are still people who live laugh and love in this world and we deserve just as much repect as any other person.
Actually, evil is not the *absense* of good, per se. Rather it is the *opposite* of good. Ergo, neither can exist without the other, for each requires the other in order to have a definition. You cannot define good without separating it from evil, and vice versa.
Thank you!!!! finally someone who agrees with me.
When a parent punishes a child, it is a correction so that the child does not do the bad thing again, correct?
So how is that the same as God sending a person to hell for *eternity*? I mean, there’s no possibility for correcting the behavior then.
THANK YOU! i hate when christians say that i shoule be christian or god will do something against it (i have yet to see as such) yet you say we are free to do as we want
you could even be a scientologist and i would respect you *gives crumble a big snickerdoodlle cookie* (no pun intended)
1. god didn’t create evil in the world, it entered when adam and eve sinned. it is of the devil.
2. he dosen’t exactly allow it to be around. he gives us a choice. he doesn’t hate the person, he still loves gays and will forgive them if they come to him and ask for forgiveness
3. we are not perfect because we sin. god has never sinned, never made any mistake, never done anything wrong. its because he allows us to havea choice, either to sin or not to son. to go to heaven, or go to hell.
4. the Bible is a HOLY book, not just any book. it is God’s word. Harry Potter is just an ordinary book writen by a human, who is inperfect. As humans, we are all imperfect. I’m inperfect, you’re imperfect, we all are. Technically, the bible was written by humans, but God gave them the words.
Do a little more reaserch and try to come up with an argument that’s right next time. nice try though. <3 u!
Now you’re talking! why did you start with that “god hates gays” instead of something with more sense like this?
anyway, basically you are saying that everything God made is perfect and than you say that all people are imperfect… wait… didn’t GOD CREATED HUMANS!?
now lets see you counter this
they are imperfect because they sinned. and i dont think i said god made everything perfect…did I?
Have you ever lied in your entire life. Wait, there is only one “human” who’s ever never sinned according to the bible. His name was Jesus and he died because everyone has sinned before and will. It’s in human nature. Eve sinned before she “brought sin into this world”. You can’t say he doesn’t love gays because they’ve sinned becuase that means that he doesn’t love you eather. feel unloved yet???
But didn’t god create the devil?
No the “devil” was an angel (lucifer) who challenged god and was banished from heaven… he was not created to be the devil
well, if god is omniscient, meaning he knows everything (including the future), then he wouldve known lucifer was going to become the devil…and he couldve prevented that…and in nowhere in the bible does it say that ANGELS were created to have free will…so by this logic, god did create the lucifer to be the devil and he did create evil
@Technowolf: The bible was not actually created by god, but by humans (unless theres some sort of secret one somewhere that I don’t know of) so hypothetically as humans are imperfect the reproduction of gods word within the Bible has the potential to be skewed, through bad translation, typos, malice etc. What I’m trying to get at here is do you think that there is potential for the whole god hating gays thing to be incorrect, and that whilst the idea of the bible is gods, that the word isn’t? And for the record I’m a straight Christian.
@ an evil penguin: thats what i ment: god gave humans the ideas for it and they wrote it down. and god doesn’t hate gays, he hates their actions. the first time i wrote i didn’t mean to say he hates gays, i ment to say their actions, so im sorry for any confusion.
And yet you use the Bible as your main source of evidence. You say, that God hates gays actions, and that you get that information from the Bible, I mean, where else could you possibly get that information? Unless you spoke to God himself, and I find that highly unlikely considering that I am doubtful that someone like that even exists.
But then you also say that humans, humans who, according to you, have all SINNED, are all apparently imperfect, are the ones who wrote down the Bible, the ones who copied it, translated it, published it?
So answer me this Technowolf, if you get all your evidence from the Bible, and the ones who wrote the bible down, have apparently sinned and are imperfect, wouldn’t they have made mistakes? Changed parts of it for anger and their own amusement? You can’t deny that if they were the ones to write it down, they would have made mistakes, changed it perhaps?
So if they did change it, couldn’t someone easily have just added in that god hates the act of being homosexual? You have no concrete evidence that god hates it or them.
what are the gay actions that god hates so much? smashing musical performances? excellent fashion sense? the copious amounts of volunteer work most city lesbians do? what?
@lovepuppy,
God made woman and man for each other. ever noticed that you can only make a baby naturally with a man and a woman?
what do religious fanatics, and twilight fanatics have in common?……… they both base their lives on a FICTION book. and for those who say that the bible is non-fiction… i never knew a book could talk about angels, demons, spirits, talking animals, and still be non fiction.
Ok, surfaman you asked for it !
the bible is not fiction. I have seen a realdemon before. they are kinda pinkish colored, they have eyes that are like black holes, and they don’t have lips, more like slits for mouths. and that incident woth the talking donkey: an angel talked through the donkey. <3 u though!
Yeah, I did acid once, too.
thats not a real nice thing to say as a pastors wife i saw many things that wouldnot be considered of this world demons are a real thing and do exist
Good, then you can produce a photograph of one, right?
thats not exactly something you do when when dealing with demon possesion…. oh hold on mr demon let me get my video tape ready before you spout off in latin…. (rolls eyes)
pfff latin. youd think they would talk in other languages too.
omg.
i saw it while i was asleep. no i can’t take a photograph!
and there you go, you saw it while you were asleep. your argument has just been proven invalid
@ Schiffy:I’ve talked to several people without telling them what i saw first, and they gave me the exact same description, and none of them knew each other. My argument is valid.
you cannot see things while you are asleep, that’s called a DREAM!!!! NOT real life. This world is based on facts and proof. If you cannot supply either, you wont have a leg to stand on in the real world
Asians are NOT DEMONS!! get your story straight!!!!
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Asians have lips.
You guys debating God and make such a racist comment. You sound so intelligent.
The difference is, The bible is the most historically verified book we have today. we have literally hundreds of copies dating to around to Jesus’ time period. The next most verified book would be Caesars war journals, having about 10 copies available.
The Bible has been true to people for thousands of years, and people find it still as relevant today as it was in it’s time.
The Twilight Series is by a living author who presented her works as fiction. Depending on who you ask, it may or may not be a good read.
And the Bible doesn’t have Vampires to my knowledge.
The bible has probably had more mistranslation arguments than any other book. How can it be “the truth” if you can’t even agree on what it says?
And don’t get me started on the different versions…
lol it has been rewritten so many times and for so many different reasons. once the bible was even re written so that some king could get a divorce and not go to hell (on paper at least). crazy yea?
“it is of the devil.”
Didn’t God create the devil? And if not, where’d he come from?
1 their are bibles for different religions, so the bible being nonfiction is invalid.
2 Tell me exactly where in the bible it says God hates Gays?
3 For that matter where does it say God is real in the bible. (I found a flaw in teh bible)
4 if god created us in his image, he could easily be gay, and if god created us and hated gays, he would not have made gays.
5 Gayness happens in nature to.
6 Your point about god being real has no solid evidence.
& If god even was real and cared about humans wouldn’t he help us?
And 7. Who are you to judge people, I’m sure almost every single person alive Sin every day.
Now have a good day.
Love~Avery.
You can’t prove God exists because you need faith. You need to believe. You can disprove God to the moon and back with miles of evidence saying he doesn’t exist. You need faith to prove God is real. Have you ever not trusted someone because you had a gut feeling? The facts would say that the person is perfectly acceptable but something in your gut said “No.” That’s faith. You don’t believe God exists because all the evidence points to it. You believe God exists because you have faith
It’s not necessarily ‘faith’ that anyone feels when you trust someone from your gut feeling. It’s instinct, the last we have. The human race is pretty much the only species that doesn’t follow our instincts.
Blind faith. Which has gotten me into many of sticky situations I’ve been in in my life. Enough said.
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thats your problem then. im going to put you on my church’s prayer list!
Go ahead. I’ll let you know if my problems magically solve themselves…
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…Really? Seriously, you think sitting around asking for stuff like a bunch of whiny toddlers is going to change anything? That’s my main problem with Christianity. It’s so arrogant. Huamns are the center of everything that is not God himself? Humans are meant to rule the Earth? Such gigantic egos.
yall are the ones asking questions. Im doing all the answering. have you noticed iv’e had an answer for everything so far, and many eople are asking me the same thing over and over and over and over? ex:if god made us in his image, isn’t he gay then?
@countavery:
1.god doesn’t need to prove he exists to anyone, but he chose to prove it to some people so that they could spread the good news to people.
2. there is also only one right religion, so there is only one right bible, follow that?
3. were talking about humans, not nature. if it happens in nature, ok. i don’t care.
4.God doesn’t sin, and gayness is a sin. how many times do i have to say this!!!
5. God does’t need to prove he is real, either you believe in him or not.
6.God gives us a choice. we can come to him and ask for forgiveness!
7. I’m not judging anyone. it is not my place to. only god. and yes, i have sinned many times.
Have a beautiful day
do you not eat seafood and wear any thing other then cotten? cause those are sinful things too. so sinful in fact. that the bible acutlly put them in the same section of the bible.
Technowolf I am so glad that your 1 God chose to prove himself to you, so you can spread the word of just one God. Please take your righteous self and spread that word, tell people how God chose you to spread his truth to only a few and that the only right religion is yours. Maybe if you wrote your own bible, you could be your own God and pass all the judgement and gas you want. Until then I guess we can be thank full we have freedom of religion and choice.
I didn’t say you had to be christian. i just said i believe in this God. YES PEOPLE, ONE GOD. ANYONE WANT TO SHARE HOW MANY OTHER GODS THEY BELIEVE IN? IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE GOD, THAT IS A PROBLEM.
wouldn’t you be a little confused? with each god having his or her own laws? isn’t it better to only have one god?
Mmhmm, there’s only one right religion. Pompous ass. Enjoy insulting billions of people?
lol@ if god created us in his image he could easily be gay. so true
no…God created Adam and Eve. Neither were gay. Therefore, no.
holy means separate not some bahamaladingdong thing saying something is holy doesn’t mean it is magical
I am gay and Catholic and will NEVER ask forgiveness for being gay. It is just as natural as the love most feel between a man and a woman. Being openly gay is fulfilling, I don’t have to pretend to something I’m not and I don’t have to pander to anyone’s ridiculous malformed ideas of “right” and “wrong”.
Umm no!
1. god in relation to the Christian bible is a name so should be God
1. The serpent tricked Eve into eating the forbidden fruit, therefore, duplicity (A form of evil), jealousy (A form of evil) both existed prior to Adam and Eve’s sin.
2. So what happens if they do not ask for forgiveness as they believe they have done nothing wrong? Not even the strictest parent would then condemn them to eternity of hellfire, and yet your God of love will?
3. God in the form of Jesus did sin. Thats why he had to be baptized. He even admitted it himself. Plus if you read through your religious babble, you will see many instances where Jesus sinned according to the Jews traditions. So You argument there is false
4. The bible is not the word of God, it doesnt even claim it is. It is a collection of stories around a similar theme. So your right that it is not like Harry Potter, its more like a Readers Digest.
So I will close with your own words
Do a little more reaserch and try to come up with an argument that’s right next time. nice try though. <3 u!
@ James:
i know you are jelous that you can’t come up with your own conclusion like me, but don’t ever do it again.
1, i write out God on paper, but when i’m typing and in a rush, i forget to. if it bothers you and it hurts your feelings, i won’t do it anymore cause im tired of hearing your crying.
2.count better. you used 1 twice.
3. Jesus never sinned. baptismal is not because you sinned. and where did it ever say he sinned, because as i recall, it says Jesus NEVER sinned.
4. no i never remember it saying that the bible was the word of God, but because it has quotes, and laws, it is the word of God. its just obvious. and God says its his word.
So i will close with MY famous closing:
Do a little more reaserch and try to come up with an argument that’s right next time. nice try though. <3 u!
God created all things perfect, including humans. It was humans who screwed it up. He only allows bad things to happen because humans figured they would be better off without His help, and no doubt if He exists, He’ll fix everything (including making people perfect) once His point is proven.
Also, I totally support gay rights. Matter of fact, I AM a lesbian, and also a Christian. All I can say is I really hope He can forgive me for loving another human. : /
Also, feel free to point out anything you might see “wrong” with my opinion; I find other people’s opinions interesting.
If only there were more Christians like you…
The “God” you and many other ignorant people in the world invented does not want gay marriage. Just because people are brainwashed by some fake invisible man in the sky doesn’t mean that people should suffer because of the way they live their lives.
If you hate gay people so much, then let them marry and let them go to “hell.” No reason in trying to save people you hate from damnation.
He’s not fake.
Call us brainwashed, call us ignorant. It doesn’t matter.
Ad hominem attacks don’t change fact.
I don’t believe in homosexuals as they are defined.
the term homosexuals definds them as “people who are homosexual” as opposed to “those who have sex with the same gender as themselves”
It infers that they have no choice in what they do.
I don’t buy that. Even if someone is Genetically pre-disposed to like the same gender, it does not mean that they have to DO anything about it. They don’t have to get married to anyone, they don’t have to engage in any sexual acts of any kind.
Just as someone who is pre-disposed to anger can take steps not to engage in angry outbursts.
Either way. No one should hate another person. That’s not God, and it shouldn’t be Christians.
poor poor Crumble, Can’t Even Notice 6 billion other people are saying the same thing about their own gods…
Yes people their is more then on god, and more than one bible.
@Countavary(again):Crumble’s right.
who wouldn’t after all he has done for just YOU.
and you are wrong. to some degree. there are millions of fake gods, but only one is real. his love is everlasting. can their gods provide them with their every need? Is their god capable of loving? does their god care to know the exact number of hairs on their heads? can their god hear their every thought? is their god even living? the bible says that the number of thoughts god thinks about you every day are far outnumber the grains of sand on the earth. that equals over one MILLION thoughts per SECOND!!! is that not amazing to you? He will listen to everything you say!He has raised people from the dead. Jesus died for you. if you were the only person on the planet he still would have done it, and i find it sad to believe that you wouldn’t want to accept him as your god.
oh i’m sorry techno i realize now that everyone else is wrong and only you christians are right. Our gods don’t love us, we just follow them because they are assholes to us and don’t love us, provide for us, or live.
Oh my gosh are you kidding me? Crumble said that gays don’t have to DO anything about what they feel. To me, that seems cruel, and not like something that would come from a god who has “love [that] is everlasting.” Because God made gay people predisposed to fall in love with the same sex, they have to suffer all their lives with repressed love and self-hate because “only the ACT is sinful?” Come on!
Think about the Bible, and the story of Jesus. What was the MORAL of the story? Look, I’m not trying to say that the Bible is fiction, because I wasn’t there 2,000 years ago so I wouldn’t know, but the fable about the tortoise and the hare has truths about life, too, yes? But are we really going to have a tortoise and a hare race because the story said to? Can animals talk now? No. Jesus wanted to spread a message of acceptance, tolerance, love, and forgiveness. I’m sure he would be quite disappointed with many of the so-called “Christians” that are spreading this trash about how love expressed between two consenting partners is somehow “sin.”
jesus wanted to feed people and help the oppressed. basicly he was an activist that fought for the minorities. too bad the church crucified him. if he was real and here today im sure he would be fighting for wold hunger and the abolishment of bigotry. gays would have there rights in no time
Hey! How can you say that? how can you claim that they are false? people have as much evidence that their gods exist as you have for yours. Some even have MORE. How can you be sure that the god of the bible is not someone else’s(sp) god in disguise?
Why would anyone follow the same beliefs as you, you talk in circles.God is everlasting Love,but he hates. Hmm How can God be listening to everyone every second when he is laughing till he cries when he hears people say things like this in his name. It would be less damaging if people would name their hate in their own name and not Gods. I feel so sorry for those that think their hate will get them to some place in the sky sitting on a throne, and all the homosexuals will be in hell drinking margaritas together. Take a good look and remember the faces of all the gays you have judged, you will see them again.
You are genetically predisposed to love and be attracted to the opposite sex. Lets see you be celibate your entire life and not ever act on a single desire
Let me see… “destroy” means “to reduce an object to useless fragments”. So two men (or two women) wish to marry one another; how does this destroy families? The couple is in fact building a relationship and a new family together, not destroying anything. They’re not forcing straight married couples to cheat, split up, or shuttle the kids back and forth between two unstable homes. So how can their getting married “destroy families”? There’s a lot more in the bible regarding what’s offensive to your god than homosexuality, including harbouring hate in your heart.
“Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you”
Matthew 5:43-44, KJV
So, there may not be much room in your heaven for you, either.
to lovely Louise:
i had to do something with the graph, up there it said:destroys families, so i was just going with the flow.
I don’t hate anyone, even he gays. i love them as they are, even thoigh they do wrong.
to Jay:
God does exist. can you see wind? no, but you can see its effects. you may not have ever seen God himself, but you can see what he is doing in people’s lives. he is not fake. the devil also exists. i have seen real demons before. weather you want to believe it or not, God, Satan, demons and angels exist. God did not create evil. it entered the world when adam and eve sined. it is not of God.
God loves you!
WIN lovely louise! WIN all the way
Could you quote the passage of the Bible that says there’s no place in heaven for homosexuality? I’m quite certain there is no such passage.
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”
—1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
the greeks didn’t have a word for homosexual, that word was translated later and back then it mean male prostitute
in ancient Greece, of which the language the Bible was originally written, celebrated all types of sexuality. The Island of Lesbos, etc. It was part of their culture and needed no label.
Wasn’t the Bible origionally written in Latin?
Old Testament-Hebrew
New Testament-Greek
ok, so why are we ignoring everyone listed EXCEPT for homosexuals?
Fornicators, well that is unmarried sex. So, everyone that has ever had unmarried sex should be banned from things and hated.
Idolaters, well that is pretty much wide open, some say that this means anything that you love. So all of those who love things like money or things, they should be banned from things and hated as well.
Adulterers, well, those who have not been damned with the first two need to pay attention here. Elsewhere the New Testament (I think Paul, but I could be wrong) tells us that if you marry and then you separate from your spouse and you get married again while your first spouse is still alive, you are committing adultery. So, everyone that has a living ex spouse and gets married again should be banned from things and hated.
Sodomy. This can be strictly defined as any act that is not genital to genital intercourse. Kiss your wife’s breasts, or go a bit further and you are engaging in sodomy and should be banned from things and hated.
Thieves. Well, good grief, all of our politicians, masters of big business… holy cow there is no way to list them all here, as well as the petty pickpocket and anyone that takes an ink pen or paperclip home from the office. Oh, don’t forget anyone that has ever maybe taken an extra few minutes of a break, or left a minute early, taken a personal phone call… All of them should be banned from things and hated.
Covetous. Umm, yeah see the above.
Drunkards. Well, then we need to re-establish Prohibition to help prevent people from becoming drunkards and anyone who currently drinks should be banned from things and hated.
Revilers. ouch, that is another biggie. Using abusive language against another. Ok, so anyone that has not been caught up in the net so far, better check yourself here. Ever yelled at someone in the car that cut you off? Ever gotten frustrated at someone on the phone and blew off a little steam? Ever blew off, even a little, steam at home and said something that you had to apologize for later? Well, all of these folks should be banned from things and hated.
Extortioners. Well, did you maybe ever kind of fudge things to make someone give you something that you wanted? Politicians and big business are at high risk (or some seem to think it is in the job description), but lots of folks do this too, maybe not enough to meet a legal definition, but by a very strict and conservative definition… these folks should be banned from things and hated.
So, why do Christians seem to want to focus so much on this ONE part of this verse? What about everyone else? I would venture to say that a huge percentage of Christians are guilty of being revilers when they use their hate speech against gays… hmm, interesting thought there, you are making yourself fit another of the categories in this verse because someone else fits into one of the categories and you can’t tolerate unrighteous people…?
you are full of win good sir/madam
So why are the words of Paul given more weight than the forgiveness of Christ?
EXACTLY. If gays aren’t allowed in heaven, even if they believe in Jesus, doesn’t that mean that instead of Jesus conquering all sin, that one sin conquered HIM?
it doesnt say there is no place for homosexuality… but it does say there is no place for sin and the bible does say that a man should not lay with another man…
‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
lev 18:22
it also says…Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
1 corinthains 6:9
9 “These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat. 10 But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you. 11 You shall regard them as detestable; you shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall detest their carcasses. 12 Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you.
Leviticus 11:9-11
oh was this out of context MY BAD! its called cultural laws and the entire book of Leviticus is riddled with them. If you believe that we should follow what Leviticus says, then women are unclean on they’re periods, no mixed fiber clothing and shellfish and pigs are out. So if you’ve ever been a woman, eaten a scallop, or had bacon YOU HEATHEN!! You can’t pick and choose what you want to believe in LEviticus
you know, i could have sworn the bible said that god made everything. THAT INCLUDES GAYS!!! Why’d he make them if he didn’t want them? Doesn’t he love all of his children (humans)? Gays are humans and so are straight people.
he gives them a choice! would you rather have freedom, or be a puppet on a string? he loves gays, just like he loves anyone that has sinned. and he will forgive them.
yes, that’s why anyone who disagrees that he is real is going to hell. or if you believe there are more then one gods/ goddesses. Why do gays need to repent for who they love? Love is never one’s own choice. If you actually had a love you would know that.
A few questions, how the hell does having gays marry make Russia evade, or judgment day begin, or destroy families?
And how the hell does it cause ice caps to melt?
One more thing, what about the 5000 other gods?
What do they say about it?
And I know how you will reply, “Other gods aren’t real blah blah blah…”
I’m sure that’s also what other people say about your god.
You sir make me sick.
And I rest my case.
@countavary. first off, if you are talking to me, im a female. Technowolf is what my friend calls me.
if you will look at figure 1a, aka the original graph, i had to do something with those figures, so that was more sarcasm than anything else.
2, 5000 other gods, what are you talking about?
3, my god exists. you, or anyone else for that matter, cannot vote him out of existence.
4, watch your language.
Im quite afraid that your case is invalid.
im sorry that i make you sick.
Can you prove that your god exists? if not, then me saying “Thor exists. you, or anyone else for that matter, cannot vote him out of existence.”, would be equally valid, right?
sure, lets say Thor is a statue. he exists, right? i cannot vote him out of existence. but however Thor can be destroyed. God is immortal. you cannot destroy him. he could destroy you but chooses not to. he gave you life and couuld so easily take it away.
Actually, no. Thor is not a statue. He was, in the mind of the old nordic culture, a god you worship via use of the statue.
Of course, picking the Nordic religion is bad in this situation because it was one where its gods actually died.
Lets use Hinduism instead;
Me saying vishnu, be he an offshoot of the collective spirit and soul of the world or not, exists, and you cannot destroy he who protects, nor vote him out of existence, is equally valid until your god is proved conclusively to be the only one in existence.
P.S. I’m not sure whether either exists.
What “God” wants? He wants you dumb Americans to go kill innocent people in foreign countries, that’s what he wants, isn’t it? If your “God” created mankind in his image and considering how there has been gay people throughout the entire human history, it seems to me your “God” is a pretty gay “God”.
+1 Not You
OMG i am so tired of saying this. he gave them a choice. no one told them that they had to be gay, they chose to be. -1 Not you.
I take it you’re not american,Not you? what are you then?
If you’re from europe, your country fought in both world wars.
also if your from specific parts of other continents, Canada, Australia, and maybe some islands. Not exactly sure.
“Gay marriage is not cool.”
When did your god start taking an interest in all things trendy, TW? Last time I opened the Bible, I didn’t get the impression that Jesus would encourage people to do things simply because they’re “cool”.
Talk about looking mentally handicapped. You fail at comprehending your own religion. Next time you think about running your mouth, wake up and remember that your god does not condone spiritual laziness, which you seem to have in abundance.
Jesus didnt say that. i did. pay attention. also since when did you care about my spirituality.
1) Gay people are not trying to be cool, we are simply being ourselves.
2) Are you God, has he become one of the inevitable voices in your head. Because unless he is, what makes you think that you know what God wants? The fact that you’ve read a book that was written thousands of years ago by other people who also never spoke to God.
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without religion good people will do good things, and evil people will do evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” – Anonymous Quote
3) When my ‘judgement day’ comes, if I so happen to go to hell, I will bring marshmallows and whoever would like to may join me in making smores using our pointy little demon tails.
Sarcasm fail. you’ll be to busy screaming to make marshmallow smores. wouldn’t you rather go to heaven? i’ll save you a seat.
Why exactly would I want a seat in heaven if the only way I’m getting there is by denying my true self? I would rather go somewhere that I am accepted, even if that means spending the rest of eternity in a burning pit of hell.
What you believe in comes from stone age people with no idea about natural forces. The bible is widely used as a method of population control, and it is clear it is working on you. Dumbass, stick that in your bible and THUMP IT.
aren’t you mature. sheesh, watch your language, it just shows how much you fail.
All I see is dumbass. I don’t think thats too bad.
Well, if you missed it? We’re not in heaven. We’re on Earth.
what do you have against Russia anyway? I don’t get it.
You said “Nobody looks at gay people and says ‘well, aren’t they cool!’”
…do you have any idea how wrong you are? I know plenty of really awesome gay people. I myself am bisexual. I know lots of other straight people who think gay people are cool. So your statement is invalid. And if one statement is invalid…
Ah yes another one. Not everyone believes in God. Don’t you know this? So that statement is also invalid.
Also- how would gay marriage cause the Russians to invade, eh? Just tell me that one. Come on. What’s the big secret? Why would gay marriage make the ice caps melt? Oh I know- your tiny little brain would overwork itself from all the unneeded hatred and the heat would cause them to melt.
Wait… how does gay marriage mean Russia will invade? Or the ice caps will melt? And it really isn’t your position to decide what God loves and hates. If God does hate gays, they wouldn’t exist! Argument rendered invalid. And where does it say in the Bible that there is no place for homosexuality? I don’t recall that.
The graph is more like 99.99% Gays Marry and .01% Extremely Religious Families Are Destroyed.
Oh yeah, according to the bible we should all love each other and not hate anybody.
God hates people who worship other gods, but they still exist. And also, Adam and Eve, come on.
THE TRUTH ABOUT GAYS:
straight people only need gays for the fashion industry
gay people need straights so they don’t die out
You have an interesting interpretation of the word “truth”. Might I suggest a dictionary?
Yes, because all gays are fashion-aware, and all straight people are having children.
Oh, and no gay has ever had a child before. Nope.
How in the world are “all gays are fashion-aware”? That is most likely the most stereotypical phrase I have seen all day
this is like the 100th time i have seen this don’t reward him for reposting
Where in the Bible does it say that God hates homosexuals? When does Jesus talk about homosexuality?
In Leviticus, it calls homosexuality an ABOMINATION. It also, two verses above that sentiment, says that having sex with a woman who is menstruating is an ABOMINATION. Also eating shellfish, also combining diary and meat…the list goes on.
Ignorant persons can pluck a verse out of the Bible, out of the cultural context, out of the historical meaning and use it to say homosexuality is sinful and “God hates it”. However, they are interjecting their own insecurities as the Hebrew word abomination means ritually unclean. The argument is much deeper than that, but in a nutshell people who use this verse are pulling it out of context and not understanding the true meaning of the verse. Also, if got hates homosexuality then he also hate lobsters.
And that’s assuming God hates anything at all, because most brainwashed Christians will also tell you, in the same breath, that God loves all and forgives all. They can’t seem to make up their mind about that.
It’s so true. If they can’t keep their facts straight they have no right to argue at all.
Guys, it’s a book. It’ll never, not even for an instance, hold any value in court other than swearing to tell the truth.
so dumb they still use a bible. lol nicly worded comment btw
Annoying repost aside this graph is inaccurate. It should be about 70% ‘gays marry’ and 30% ‘right wing fundamentalists get all tied up in knots because any time anything gay-related is in the news it reminds them of the little homo-crush they had in school and they can’t deal’.
You, my friend, have won a very large cookie. +100 points.
This has been done before!
I can’t even stand to read this because everybody is making such ignorant comments and arguing…they’re trying to talk and talk and talk about their own viewpoints and come up with an argument before even reading or trying to understand the other person’s point of view…and this is why there is hatred and discrimination in the world in the first place.
I has a sad nao.
Finally! Some reason in the comments! You speak the truth! There are so few people who at least try to understand another viewpoint before complaining about it! Well putting the many exclamations aside, I can agree fully. People are too ignorant to listen before talking.
It’s okay Sephiru I understand.
*Gives cookie.*
This is odd, this is clearly a repost of a past chart, yet it still remains. It has been reported as such, in both comments and via email. And posts I make that link to the original (Do a search for Gay Marriage up top to find the original) are never approved.
I wonder if the administrators are worried about appearing bigoted by deleting this, or if they support the message enough to disregard the duplicate.
One more small thing.
The Bible easily corrupts itself with it’s sayings, So basicly the bible is one big sin, Which could mean that your all
*Gasp*
Communists!
The consequences, intended or not, could be very dramatic. Look up the stats; higher rates or substance abuse, suicide, depression, etc. The general divorce rate rises. The drain on socialized medicine (don’t get me started) and health-care costs increases. And the debate on rights could go on forever. Why is the right of your belief in same-sex marriage greater than mine of the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman? How about the problems for children in same-sex marriages?
Sorry but this is not about an equal right, it’s about a special right. That being the case, I propose as much compassion about the issue as can be mustered. No one wants to see people hurt and suffer. Find a middle ground.
Wtf…since when has marriage been a “special right” as for the sanctity of marriage…people can have a drive thru marriage…and what about children of a same sex marriage…in a 25 year study, it was shown that children of lesbians are better adjusted to society and as to your first paragraph what does any of that have to do with homosexuality as to sanctity it depends on your religion, in mine we sanctify ritual sex to get closer to the Goddess now i doubt christians find anything sanctimonious about that
The Supreme Court has defined marriage as a fundamental right. It cannot, based on this ruling, be a special right, since it has been deemed fundamental. The two are mutually exclusive.
The word “sanctity” should never enter into the argument. Look up the First Amendment to the Constitution: Separation of Church and State. You cannot deny two people the legal right to enter into a marriage contract based on any argument that includes the words “God,” “Bible,” or “sanctity.”
Now, if you have some sort of scientific proof that allowing gay marriage will damage the rest of society, I’d like to see it. And just out of curiosity, I’d like to compare it to the damage done by straight heterosexuals who have children out-of-wedlock, or who get married and divorced over and over and never provide any stability for their children.
When it comes to things like rates of substance abuse, suicide and depression: Statistically speaking, if you believe the polls and studies, single women are happier and healthier than married women. And married men are happier and healthier than single men. To me, that sounds like an argument that we should only allow male-male marriages & outlaw any other kind.
now that is logic!
Seeing as marriage is a sacred Christian pact between a man and a woman, then Gays shouldn’t be aloud to be married by this rule. That being said, however, atheists are also allowed by law to be married. It’s only fair for gays to be married. The depression and suicide statistics mainly have to do with teens that are insecure of their sexuality, if it were more socially acceptable (i.e. legalizing gay marriage), these would most likely decrease. Either way, reaction to one’s sexuality is really a choice, if someone isn’t okay with their sexuality and wants to off themselves, then gay marriage is a rather null issue.
“How about the problems for children in same-sex marriages?”
Oh! Are you referring to having well-adjusted well-educated happy accepting children?
What a nightmare!
LOL!!! You saw that study too?
Okay, as a republican I’m going to tell you the REAL reason we’re so afraid of same sex marriage.
Pedophiles.
We’re afraid pedophiles will say “Well, if a man can marry a man then why can’t I have sex with this 16 month old?”
Besides that there’s another reason -
Lawsuits.
See, two people who aren’t even gay could easily PRETEND to be gay, then go to someplace to say they’re getting married for a time they know that place would be WAY TOO BUSY to help them, then claim it was discrimination and sue said place/company. Clogging the courts with their get rich quick schemes.
Until the laws are written in such a way to prevent both these things, I will be against legalizing gay marriage. I don’t have a problem with homosexuality. As long as it’s between consenting adults and not with kids, animals, and/or dead people what you do in the bedroom isn’t my business. I’m more concerned about laws that prevent pedophiles from thinking it’s okay to molest kids and keep the courts from being clogged with stupid lawsuits.
Maybe you haven’t noticed, but most of the pedophiles (GAY pedophiles, no less) are working in churches as priests. But I’d like you to show me the study that says pedophilia is linked to homosexuality in any way. Please don’t try to debate it, just give me a link.
If you’re really afraid that gay marriage will lead to pedophilia, you are insane. And paranoid, and irrational, and possibly mentally retarded. You know what, why don’t you show me a gay pedophile that ISN’T a priest.
You have a talent for making up baseless fear-based scenarios based on absolutely nothing in reality, which is great and all but has no place in this conversation. Your caveat at the end is just a lie, because you obviously do have a problem with consenting gay adults being married to each other, you’re just finding the flimsiest possible excuses to not support it while trying to appear like you’re not a homophobe.
Guess what? It’s not working. You’re just another brainwashed religious cultist who thinks that gay marriage breaks “the sanctity of marriage”, unlike what LIz Taylor and Britney Spears are doing to it, right? Oh, the hypocrisy.
There is a big difference between marriage between consenting adults and your hypothetical pedophile wanting to marry (do peds usually want to settle down with their victims?) a child that is unable to consent.
this comment has the logic of an eight year olds reasoning in it. but i have given it some thought despite myself because it couldnt possibly be serious.
1. pedophiles: i don’t think there is.. or ever will be a clause in a gay marriage act stating that if you get a gay marriage you will have an all access free pass to having sex with any 16month old of your choosing.
2. lawsuits: that is exactly why we don’t let people of two different races marry, because if we did two people who aren’t even in love could easily PRETEND to be in love, then go to someplace to say they’re getting married for a time they know that place would be WAY TOO BUSY to help them, then claim it was discrimination and sue said place/company. Clogging the courts with their get rich quick schemes.
… what does pedophilia have to do with homosexuality? And the get rich quick schemes don’t even make sense…
Well, at least you stayed away from the topic of religion. I have to give you credit for that.
Let me explain why i think your argument is invalid. As far as I know, pedophilia is in NO WAY related to homosexuality. And the lawsuit reason just confuses me. How would they know when it would be too busy for them to get married? Wouldn’t they have reserved the time so the scheme would fail? Could they even win the case?
This graph = partially true.
I say ‘partially’ because while gay marriage will not cause the russians to invade, ice caps to melt or judgement day to arise, I know that homosexual marriage has torn apart families in my neighborhood and in my church. I support homosexual rights because, while I am loosely anchored in a faith, that God loves all of his children. In the Bible it doesn’t make any comment about gay marriage because during the time it was written and compiled, gay marriage wasn’t an extreme issue.
Please, you flamers, get your facts straight and buy a dictionary.
The only reason gay marriage has done anything to families in your neighborhood and your church is because of how the people in your neighborhood and your church REACT to it. If they were more open minded, there would not be a problem. It’s as simple as that.
But like most hypocritical Christians, they say “live and let live” but they do not PRACTICE it. And now here you are blaming gay marriage for this. Is gay marriage the problem? Or is it all the intolerant people in your area? The answer should be painfully obvious.
I’m not blaming the homosexuals in my area and I’m sorry if it came off that way. I’m blaming those whose minds aren’t open to the concept of people liking people of the same sex.
But it’s not gay marriage that’s ruining their relationships, it’s bigotry.
LIVE AND LET LIVE, BUT IT DOESN’T MATTER NOW DOES IT IF YOUR A SINNER UNFORGIVEN, IF YOU RAN AWAY BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T LIKE WHAT WE SAID WAS WRONG, YOU WON’T HAVE AN AFTERLIFE.
I guess you say liv and let live means we live to convince others so that they may be let to live in the afterlife.
I like corn on the cob.
i like turtles
The minority is trying to get the majority to say that marriage is the same between a man and a man as it is for a woman and a man, when the majority knows that that is incorrect, so the minority needs to stop annoying us.
They can call their civil unions’ marriage for all we care, but they will not get us to say to them that their anarchy is the same as our marriage, just as we will not have them admit that there is a God. Its still, almost a free country were if you try to make somebody do something that they don’t want to, it’s against the law.
A fictional floating man in the clouds and a work of fiction called the bible shouldn’t have any impact on whether a gay couple get married or not. That’s human bias at its worst.
no silly!
You missed it. I was using God as an example.
1st Amendment people, separation of church and state. Gay marriage is an issue for the government, so religion, god, the church, anything like that should not play any part in legalizing or banning gay marriage.
Nobody is trying to get you to do something you don’t want to. Nobody is going to make you marry someone of the same sex. Just because a small minority is uncomfortable with the idea doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be allowed. There are plenty of people who don’t like interracial marriages or body piercing or public breastfeeding but because they’re the minority they have to deal. The world will never be perfect for any one person. Are there groups I dislike? Sure. Do I support taking away their basic human rights? Hell no!
Just because you’re allowed to do something doesn’t mean you have to.
you’re so right! the minority should just shut up! tht way woman would still be infiror to men i i would be picking some white mans cotton!
That was sarcasm for the mentally impaired
The minority has to revolt when they know they are being wronged. It’s been shown over and over again throughout history
I have no worries though, my generation is much more homo-freindly than the current voting population. The old homophobic generations shall die out, and the homo-friendly generation shall control the vote.
Yes, it is a repost. I’m guessing the owners/moderators/Powers That Be of this site *are* trying to make a point with it, and the comments here prove that it is a point that has to be made.
In my humble opinion, the right for same-sex marriage is upheld by the Constitution, the Universal Declaration Of Human Rights, hell, it is upheld by one basic principle that modern societies are built upon, namely that every citizen is entitled equal rights. The current wording of the law that mandates marriage to be between a man and a woman, seems only slightly less restrictive to me than the laws that existed in the US only half a century ago that mandated marriage to be between a white man and a white woman, or a black man and a black woman. Those laws were abolished after similar debates and pointless public votes (pointless because you simply can’t deny people their constitutional rights with votes), and 50 years after that, we look back and can’t really understand how people could be that judgmental, bigoted and close-minded. Nowadays, the same events are happening all across the developed nations, all the statistic I saw demonstrate that the general public is becoming more and more acceptive towards the idea of same-sex marriage. The only difference being that some have already passed laws to allow same-sex marriage, and some will. It’s inevitable, and I am willing to bet that 50 years from now, the people opposing it will be viewed by history the same way we view people who were against interracial marriages.
gay marriage and interracial marriage are totally different issues, people are born gay but noone is born a N%$^& lover
I suppose that means if someone is a “N%$^&” hater, that’s a matter of choice as well, yes? So you’re not a helpless victim of genetics and choose to carry around that nasty little attitude about homosexuals AND about those belonging to other alleged “races”. Good to know.
you choose to not like black people. its not in your dna unless youve been genetically altered. like that movie splice. im pretty sure alot of ppl just dont like the ghetto black ppl. black ppl like Lewis from L4D are more accepted in uptight white ppl cultures
How about to each there own? I could care less if people dont accept Homosexuality or the LGTBQ community or not, ik who i am and im proud of it and honestly thats all that matters yes LGBTQ people are discriminated against and im not condoning that, but whats the sense in beeating a dead horse?
It never ceases to amaze me how many people can climb up on a soapbox and rewrite, misquote, make-up and outright LIE about things they don’t personally agree with!
First of all, marriage IS NOT a “civil union”, it’s a religious ceremony. As such, it must NOT receive recognition by the government for any legal purposes!
Secondly, two athiests can be joined in a secular ceremony and be called “married”, and people don’t seem to object to that!
Straight people have NOT “honored” their vows, but feel the need to deny the sanctity of a legal union to other people? HYPOCRITES all!
Actually, “marriage” can be defined in many ways. For instance, one can “marry” two boards together with a nail, a screw, glue, etc. Human “marriage” is or can be an emotional bonding with or without a civil or religious ceremony. It can also be defined as the civil joining of two persons as a household or a “marital unit”. Of course, it is also often defined as a religious bonding of two or more persons. (Historically, traditional religion has recognized both polygamous marriages AND same-sex marriages. Do your research.)
All in all, “marriage” is whatever human beings need it to be – which is why there are so many general and specific definitions of the word in use.
Also, historically, marriage was not always administered by the Church.
FOR ALL OF THOSE OPPOSED TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGE! Here’s some advice:
Don’t marry somebody of the same sex!
What happens between two adults is THEIR business, not YOURS!
You know what, I think you just said the most intellagent thing comment so for.
I was thinking the same thing. I mean seriously. Because if a man marries a man or a woman marries a woman it will, um, cause a gigantic earth quake.
Riiiiight.
You can go ahead not liking gay marriage but let others do what they want. Even if god is real, let him do what he does. You bigoted people aren’t the second coming.
For Pete’s sake! People are people…live with it, please.
Exactly.
But everybody disagrees, which is a problem.
My parents don’t get me, you know? They think I’m gay just because they saw me kiss a guy. Well- a couple guys, but i mean it’s the 2000s. Can’t 2 or 4 dudes make out with each other without being gay? I mean, chicks dig that kind of thing, anyways.
Well, if you were attracted to the guy you kissed, and enjoyed it, then yes, you’re probably at least bi. That’s pretty much the way it works.
lol i love this song. @anonymous look up the song emo kid
Top Ten Reasons Why Gay Marriage Is Wrong:
1) Being gay is not natural. Real American’s always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.
2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
3)Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behaviour. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and
can sign a marriage contract.
4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
5) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Brittany Spears’ 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.
6) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.
7) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
8) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.
9) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans
You win the internet forever.
word!
You are amazing
Stolen from a youtube video, you guys are giving too much credit to him.
the credit is for posting it
I actually got it from fanfiction.net, It’s been floating around for a while. Still compleatly valid points.
Yep. I have a list that begins like that, except it’s 50 reasons long.
I invoke Rule 14.
You’ve got to be joking…
1) If people are born gay then yes, actually, it is natural. It’s called nature.
2) You don’t get tall by hanging around tall people. See, there’s these things called genetics. Of course, genetics don’t effect whether a person is gay or not, but a straight man isn’t going to turn gay just because he’s around gay people.
3) It would have to be a damn smart dog to sign a contract. And marrying other adult people is not the same thing as marrying a dog. Seriously.
4) Where the hell do you live? Women are not property, blacks CAN marry whites, and divorce IS legal. Wth?
5) How would this happen? Marriage is marriage. Whether you marry a person of the same sex or the opposite sex doesn’t matter. And her 55 hours of fun is ridiculous. Why should it be important?
6) “Old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry”? And neither should infertile people? Why shouldn’t they be allowed happiness, just like gay people should be allowed? And why do you WANT the orphanages to be full? Being an orphan is SAD. Orphans should be allowed a happy life too.
7) Actually, my parents are straight and I’m bisexual. Being gay or not isn’t something your parents cause, like whether you’re polite or not. I have a friend who’s completely straight and she has two moms.
8.) “That’s why we have only one religion in America.” Hello? There are way more than one religion. Christians, Pagans, Jews, Muslims, etc, there are tons of religions.
9) Gender is not the same as sexuality. One dad could be the mother figure and one dad could be the father figure, bringing in the feminine side and the masculine side.
10) …really? We’ve adapted to all of those things. There are so many people who are already used to gay people loving each other.
Alright, obviously you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Dude. It’s called SARCASM.
Been done before.
i think they forgot the aids part. and less birth rate. and less real men. and more gayness.
AIDS can be contracted by any person of any sexual orientation. Of course, that means infertile and older people shouldn’t be allowed to marry, and children without parents can stay orphans. I’m going out on a limb here and saying you consider a “man” to be “an awesome dude who can bang as many chicks as he wants” rather than a person who can care and support the people he loves. Your argument is about as ridiculous as saying that “heterosexuals are stupid and everyone should be gay.” It doesn’t work either way
real men allow gay marriage
… About your girly-man arguement… No. Just… No. Not all gays are girly, and not all lesbians are butch. There are a lot of gay men out there who would make a straight male Marine look like a girly little sissy by comparison.
As far as the birth rate, that is a problem becaaaaaauuuse…?
Also, Lesbians, interestingly enough, are the LOWEST RISK group in terms of AIDS.
And a REAL man is someone who cares about others, takes responisbility for his actions, helps the little guy and the old lady crossing the street, can admit that he’s wrong when he’s wrong, steps up to the plate when asked to do something, works hard, does his best in everything he does, treats women with respect, does not objectify women, offers encouragement and help to those less fortunate (as opposed to laughing at them), is generous, honorable, and tolerant, and faces his fears regardless of how much he wants to piss himself. I have met only a handful of such men. At least one of those men is gay.
You win the world’s largest… what’s your favorite food?
but but but…
BIGOTRY IS FUN /sad panda
Here here!
And for any ignorant idiots, no I’m not gay. But I support this completely. Nothing is going to happen if they marry. Except more paper work for the city
. lol.
The reason this was reposted in the past day or so is because the closing arguments were held before Judge Walker in the prop 8 case this past Wednesday.
Man, you homos are annoying. We already said no, we will not give in to you, now stop asking.
so now heterosexuals control whether or not gays get rights…hmmmm…what does that sound like…anyone remember segregation? The whites didn’t want to give blacks rights then
you are a bully igetstabby. you just want to hog all the rights so there is nothing left for anyone else.
You’re gonna have to troll harder than that.
Look guys. If we legalize gay marriage, alimony won’t make sense anymore, and your gold-digging aunt will have to get a job.
And alimony has to do with gay marriage because…
Who the hell cares what OTHER people do? Stop trying to force your BS down other peoples throats and let them do what they want to do.
Separation of church and state…. yeah right.
Just for the record, I’m 100% behind you, too, Captain Capital. I do think gay marriage should be legal. But I also think Gay Pride marches should be banned. If we ever want to be accepted as normal and okay, then parading down a central street blaring out “It’s Raining Men” as we dance around in boy-toy leather that barely covers our genitalia in a PUBLIC PLACE, then we are never gonna get there.
Just let people live their lives the way they want to. As long as they’re not raping kids or gunning down passers-by, then where they stick their wangs or what they do with their vagoo is entirely up to them.
Alright, here’s one for everyone up here who’s spouting that being gay is wrong/imorral/should be illegal/whatever the heck else.
Let’s assume for a moment that God does definitely, undeniably, absolutely, exist. I’m not saying he does, let’s just assume so for this argument.
1) God made and makes every living thing.
2) Therefore, God made me exactly as I am.
3) I am gay. I have no choice in this. Trust me, I’ve tried. The female form is not sexually attractive to me.
4) Therefore, God made me gay.
5) God/The Bible states that all gay people will go to hell.
6) Therefore, God made me to burn in hell.
7) Therefore, he is no God I have any desire to follow or believe in.
So, any questions? =P
P.S: If your holy book says to love everyone, but also to throw rocks at groups X, Y and Z of the human race until they die, and you choose to ignore the loving in favour of the rock-throwing, then you have a serious bloody problem.
The Bible does not tell Believers to take any judgemental actions–its called the New Testament. Christ died to atone for our sins-and that is accepted on a personal level. As Christian we are called to love others–we aren’t called to love or agree with what all people do–that is between them and God.
“Christians” that take judgement and punishment into their hands will be delt with by God; so will all that do not follow what He tells us in His word.
…And I’m number 300… something. Can we stop now? And admins, can you stop reposting this, because all it gets is flame wars. Seriously, we won’t be mad at you.
IMO, we are all born bisexual and it is our parents and surroundings that turn us straight. I’m straight but have nothing against gays.
It’s not only the parents/surroundings. Extremely religious parents may end up with a gay child. It’s what the person is attracted to.
Can’t believe the above conversation is happening in this day and age.
Gays exist – get over it!
Civil partnership (so-called gay marriages) laws have been passed in several elightened countries and US states – get over it!
Sewnding big love to everyone out there….xXx
Yes, there IS something wrong with it. God created marriage to be between a man and a woman, why can’t people accept that?
And the graph is wrong, because there are more consequences, to family life and real marriage. And those of us who believe in the sanctity of marriage, real marriage, will never stop fighting. God’s truth never changes, it doesn’t matter how you try to repackage it or make it normal. Sin is sin, period.
If you don’t like gay marriage, well, don’t marry someone of the same sex. Or do like the Amish or the polygamists and form your own religious based society and stop expecting everyone else to follow your rules and only your rules.
So your saying god only loves straigth people and being gay is a choice? You can’t choose who you love and if god was so upset with that wouldn’t you think he would do something about it?
“And those of us who believe in the sanctity of marriage, real marriage, will never stop fighting. ”
oh shut the hell up.
’til death do us part’ is rarely what actually happens so what every your talking about is dead anyways
and all you know of ‘God’ is freaking book people keep telling you is true or you’ll be tortured by a big red guy.
“Yes, there IS something wrong with it. God created marriage to be between a man and a woman, why can’t people accept that?”
because not everyone is christian you ass, and people interpret the bible differently. I’ve heard the gay marrige somehow attacks marrige as a whole somehow a bunch of times. Can someone really explain to me how? i don’t get it at all am i missing something? I did not attempt suicide when i was younger because i choose to be gay. If that were true i would have simply choose to be straight but i’m not!
yet many young gay people do try suicide, self harm, have higher rates of mental health probems as well as substance abuse. The vast majority of peer reviewed, independent scientific studies attribute this disturbing anomaly to societal attitudes such as MM’s. Being told that your feelings are deviant, immoral, lacking worth, in need of change at a young age and through adolescence sets up coping mechanisms, that are in fact in such cases, destructive. Pull your head in MM, your destroying the lives of millions.
God did not create marriage. Your god has been around for say (im being very generous here) 6000 years. For 40000+ years australian aboriginals did their thing, hunting, gathering, performing, making art, creating belifs like the dreaming, and so on. It wasnt perfect and life was not easy.
And they certainly married. Different reasons, different rules. Same idea.
200 years ago white people came with their small pox, flu, alcohol, racism and religion. The indigenous population were all but wiped out. Then, in duplicitous partnership, the government and church clergy and their missions, simply removed “stole” whole generations of children from their families. The majority abused sexually, physically and emotionally while in the care of church men and women. The effects of this religious-racist doctrine resulted in the destruction of language, society, tribe, family and sense of self. The hope to bring the word of god and remove the clearly pagan and irrational belifs of the aboriginals was blessed by the catholic, church of england, anglican churches by thir complicity and known through historical fact.
As for sin being sin, well it actually does change. Just as women failing to remove themselves from the cities while they menstruate is a sin nolonger punishable by public stoning, (one hopes you agree, its not really a sin to be punished at all nor ever should have. Education has a knack of empowering women you know) the sin of two men laying together is nolonger seen as also punishible in a similar manner. Unless you are Taliban or leaders of Iran, fellow religious intellectual wonders spawned from the same book, bible, tora or koran.
Normal is what is found in nature. Particularly given we are natural creatures. Homosexual behaviour is common in nature particularly in placental mammals, of which we are. Exclusive homosexuality is a small percentage of the populations I have found research for but in no way could be described as uncommon or unnatural.
Your book, like all previous religions, will one day be forgotten. Homosexuality will continue as long as humans and life on earth exists. Your beliefs might be studied by students of history like the egyptians, the aztec, the greeks and the vikings. And your irrational illogical, ideological bigotry noted. But the homos will continue to be.
PS I forgot one thing. This is a really old one, so why is it continually reposted?
Because gays have no other argument except “Well it won’t cause Russia to invade so why not?”
I have to make one more comment. People want to try and bring up all the other things in Leviticus to try and say it’s ridiculous. But, only Jews still follow the Mosaic law. Christians don’t follow all the things in the OT, no. But things like the sanctity of marriage, that are repeated in the NT, we do abide by.
the sanctity of marriage with multiple wives and the use of slaves is also repeated.
but apart from that, it is those few verses, and only those verses that justify homosexual discrimination. further, the very idea of homosexual, let alone a life long partnership between two was not even undertood let alone spoken about. along with quaint notions like, equality, democracy, freedom, scientific reason, quantum physics, the solar system, evolution…
what is ridiculous is your argument that those few passages mean nothing. if they werent there, what would the bible, have to say at all relating to men and men or woman on woman. as for jesus, he’d have been at the pride parades, the strip joints, the mental clinics and drug rehabs. and hed be looking at you in the same way he looked at the pharasies.
your a camel. heres a needles eye. figure it out.
How about the yellow section should be quite a bit bigger? You can’t even qualify as a family without kids, and we all know how successful gay people are at having children….
You only need two people to make a family.
Wow, you really need to change your attitude around. How about not being so nasty and becoming maybe… nice?
Since when does having different beliefs than you automatically equal being nasty?
I tihnk that started happening since people began.
doesnt. its just that your comments are offensive. a couple can be together all their lives, regardles of sex. they might have siblings. they might not. they might have pets. they might not. but whatever grouping it is, to them, that is their family. it might not conform to your narrow and uneducated definition (have you even heard of a dictionary? just for starters). to to attack somones family, for no reason other than that your ‘beliefs’ dictate you do (and you have strange sense of right and wrong) is either stupid or nasty.
Gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed. If gay marriage was legal, then it would lead to gay adoption. A child needs a mother AND a father. One of my close friends has two moms, and he is made fun of and bullied every day. And he can’t do anything about it. I do not hate or discriminate against homosexual people, but I do not respect them either. If gay people want to be accepted, then they need to stop with the speedos and the glitter and the parades. Both sides are extremely awful. The conservative bornagains and other religious denominations hate so much. It is VERY hypocritical. I mean how many times does Jesus promote loving EVERYBODY? I honestly don’t think that loving God would send gay people to hell. I feel sorry for gay people, but sometimes, they should just be ashamed of themselves.
… Ummm… Actually, most gay parents not only spend months (or even years!) preparing for and figuring out if they’re ready and able to be good parents, but they also make every effore to have some sort of role model of the opposite sex in order to fill the missing role… On that note, while I agree that both a male and female parental figure is needed for a child, neither of those figures need be biologically or even legally related to the child. ‘Mother’ and ‘Father’ are roles which can be filled by nearly anyone willing to fill them, regardless of biological and/or legal status. I myself feel that a friend of mine’s mother is more of an acceptable mother to me than my own adoptive mother, and my adoptive mother is heterosexual and married.
On another note, it isn’t as if gay couples aren’t allowed to adopt kids now. It happens all the time, and about the same percentage (or perhaps an even higher percentage? I’ll have to look into that again…) turn out just fine. The only real difference is that kids raised by same-sex couples tend to be a touch more open-minded.
I’m not going to comment on the rest of what you said… I’d have to be able to figure out what it is you’re arguing there… No offense.
Um, I’m perfectly fine and have lived without a father figure in my life since the age of one…
I half-agree. I agree on the part that gay people need to stop this “pride” movement if they actually want to be taken seriously, but I disagree on the part that gay people should not adopt. Let me put it simply: One of your friends is not representing of the entire community.
If you fight love you’re always the loser.
By the way, I hope you all know that I’m sure children are reading this. Children who feel trapped and alone inside because of their true feelings. I was once one of those kids. Afraid to come out because of hateful things people say like you all do.
Its okay, its alright to be who you are. Finding love isn’t a crime, its not wrong to be yourself. If you’re reading this, don’t worry, just don’t, you’ll be okay. You’re parents will love you for who you are but you need to love you for who you are first. There is nothing wrong with you. God made you, you’re His child. Don’t be ashamed, love the way you are. You’re His. =)
For all the children reading this, there is still such a thing as morals, even though most of the world ignores them. Just because many people are lowering their moral standards doesn’t mean you should, too. Stick to your beliefs, even when people who are too ignorant to know better mock you for them. They have no right to judge you—only God can do that.
Everyone has the right to judge everyone else, like you are judging the people who judge others, and judging moral standards, and so on. And I judge you to be a pretentious sanitary pad.
People should not judge others. Period. People at my school think I’m a monster just because I’m overweight.
Gay marriage would actually reduce cases of AIDS as it usually leads to monogamy. Marriage that is.
I think it’s alright that individuals want to be LGBT because I’m very proud and feeling lonely at the moment. It’s lightening here in Memphis Tennessee, which means stuck inside the house with nothing to do.
Ah, delightful…the PC barbeque is well underway.
Even though what everyone should be complaining about is reposting.
No. I am sick and tired of people complaining about reposting. Have you considered that some might be new to the network and may have not seen the post before? Have you also considered that since reposts keep happening, nothing will come of comments that boil down to “REPOST BAWWWWWWWWWWWWW”?
“I think gay marriage should be between a man and a woman” -arnold swa- how ever you spell it
Ha! ima noob when are we able to post comments without havin to type in the name and email i just joined
Nope. Pretty sure that Russia invades.
it does to ruin families
Proof.
You don’t have it.
easily,
Lets take a situation where there is a mother and a daughter. the mother is sick of men, being miss-treated by the ones she was with (I mean, her only views of how a husband should be, came from her father when she was growing up), decides she wants to try be with a woman (because they’re not as bad as men.
Relationship develops, mother tells daughter, suddenly two different views are there, and their relationship becomes torn appart. Family distroyed.
All because the mother was told that being a lesbian would be better route.
how is gay marriage involved in that situation? If the women i sick of men she’s sick of men and if she makes that choice whether gay marrige is legal is not relevent
onn another note it is my opinon that people can just change sexualitys like that.int his situation the mother will either find she
A)isn’t attracted to women after all
B) was a repressed bisexual
C) Was a lesbien all this time and felt she had to marry a manto hide her true sexuality
\sexuality isn’t a choice
sorry for bad spelling. long day today.
I support gay marrige…..i DO NOT support religious f%@kwits who believe they’re actually of use in this world.
Dont come at us because your own “correct” marrige is failing, and if your not married, theres a reason for that…..you’re an in-the-closet-man-loving-homosexual
Welcome to the 21st century moron…
Stop re-posting this crap…..unless you admins are gay-hating morons as well? That would explain everything.
What he says!
… Wow… I can see your point… And I agree somewhat… But, wow…
Really? Everyone who isn’t married is secretly gay? What an ignorant thing to say.
Hahaha you misinterpretted his post, how witty. It certainly made you seem norant.
I personally am kind of against marriage in general. Marriage wasn’t originally about love. It was a way for a man to buy multiple women like he could buy livestock. Women in those days didn’t have a lot of rights and had to be married. It wasn’t a romantic thing, at least not first and foremost.
Marriage is largely a product of religion, and it often is grounded and based in a lot of unfair rules of religions. In a lot of religions it’s “between a man and a woman” because there are various unfair gender-specific roles for the man and for the woman. People still expect various roles of each gender today, I don’t like that.
This is also true regarding childrearing, in response to what someone posted before – people have different expectations of a mother than of a father, which I as a woman find intrinsically unfair, this whole ‘a child needs a mother and a father’ lies in the assumption that people’s roles in parenting should be dictated by their gender. It shouldn’t be. If anything it would do a child good to be raised with the idea that the kind of contribution a parent makes is unrelated to their gender.
You can say “well two people can marry and it’s their personal business and they can make of it what they want,” but marriage *is* a product of religion. People should be able to love each other and remain monogamous and trustful of one another regardless of whether or not they are married, regardless of their sexual orientation.
Unfortunately the reality is that marriage is so widespread that it becomes unrealistic to say “well it’s a product of religion, like a “cult” thing, let the cult do what it wants. It’s become so ubiquitous that it does become unfair not to let gay people do it, but realistically it’s just fixing a wrong with another wrong. I wish there was just no marriage altogether, I think it’s a bad thing which is totally sugarcoated to seem good.
I totally disagree with you. The way I see it, the common law concept of marriage is based on the fact that when two people live in a long-term, exclusive monogamous relationship, they have more to do with each other than just two randomly selected person. They care for each other, they form a kind of unity that is usually only found in families; but since they aren’t blood relatives, they consent to this agreement which allows them to form a new family. The common law recognizes this new bond with a set of legal grants like inheritance, legal representation, sharing a health insurance (in the US at least), consequences of adultery etc… religion or gender roles don’t enter the picture, the only thing it’s based on is the concept of a long-term, committed monogamous relationship, which is ubiquitous in modern societies. So I don’t see anything inherently wrong with it. I also don’t think the gay community would be all over gay marriage if we didn’t see it as useful and important.
Thankyou! T.T
Look, I dont have a problem with gays. IN FACT, gay people love me…
Everybody loves me, IM FREAKEN ADORABLE!
.. why has this returned?
ITT: Flame wars
Points to be made:
-Stop arguing God isn’t real; along with other evidence, it’s a historical fact that Jesus rose from the dead. There’s overt proof.
-Most homosexuals don’t CHOOSE to be gay, but they also usually don’t choose to change it. The ability to change is there.
-God loves everyone, even gays. However, homosexual acts are *bad* in His eyes and should be avoided.
-Homosexuality is an environmentally caused thing
-Gays have all the same rights. Heterosexuals don’t have the right to marry anyone of the same sex, either.
Also:
-Kittens are made of wool
-6lbs of butter
-Mud wrestling for those who don’t shut up
Sense: You make none.
Just following the precedent.
+1 internets to you, sir.
meowface FTW
FAIL!
“Stop arguing God isn’t real; along with other evidence, it’s a historical fact that Jesus rose from the dead. There’s overt proof.”
Not really sure about that proof thing, but I’m also Christian so I believe that. I do not however believe in the bible 100% it is not words directly from God and it has been translated from another language with different versions and the such. I take everything bible wise with a grain of salt. Also the people who teach from the bible and interpret it are human, so they’re interpretations are biased. that is why these Christians support gays, these Christian don’t hate gays but “hate the act”, and these Christians just straight out hate gays (Fred Phelps anyone?)
“Most homosexuals don’t CHOOSE to be gay, but they also usually don’t choose to change it. The ability to change is there.”
This I have to disagree with. I have no percentages but I personally tried to change myself, like really really tried, and it doesn’t work. I have heard countless other stories like mine; I’m guessing it’s common for us homos to try to change ourselves. It just fails.
“God loves everyone, even gays. However, homosexual acts are *bad* in His eyes and should be avoided.”
Goes back to the interpretation of the bible and God thing
“Homosexuality is an environmentally caused thing”
Debatable. Look up the gay gene, not that I believe in that but it is interesting. I honestly think that God just made us this way, but debatable.
“Gays have all the same rights. Heterosexuals don’t have the right to marry anyone of the same sex, either.”
This is really ridiculous. Why would heterosexuals marry someone of the same sex? The idea of a heterosexual is a man and a woman. Homosexuals are attracted to the same sex and we fall in love. The equal right is being able to marry the person we love.
thank you. i am not a lesbian; i like guys, but my brother is gay and im tired of the crap he goes through. besides, what does being hurt? and how does it invlove you? why is it suddenly your problem? why do you need to be in people’s love life other than your own? why should you care? and thes questions, btw, are directed toward people like ehw. if you can give me some solid answers to my questions, i might consider siding with you.
sound fair?
The graph should have a large yellow slice.
Fail.
Sounds about right.
AIDS = behavioral.
I just have one comment to make to all of the people who are against “gay marriage” based on the comments I have read. The good book actually does not speak out against homosexuality and is a misinterpretation by man. Being gay does not equal Aids. Being day does not mean your a pedophile-in fact most pedophiles are straight. Lastly, if a gay marriage hurts your marriage in any way, your marriage most certainly had bigger problems to start with. The people opposed to gay marriage use the same arguments about interracial marriage and I do not see that the apocalypse has happened yet. If you are against gay marriage, then don’t have one. If you are an intellegent person with compasion for others, thank you.
Regardless, the government has no business regulating, authorizing, or denying any personal relationship, gay or otherwise.
No one is forcing anyone to get a gay marriage. Live and let live! It’s so sad to see people pushing their religious beliefs on others. Stop being such hypocrites. How can you pick and choose what you believe from the bible if it’s the word of God. And if you do follow all the teachings of the bible you probably deserve to go to jail for stoning children.
Sorry, but marriage is not a religious institution. Over countless cultures and civilizations it’s been created for social/economic stability means. Stephen L. Carter, professor of law at Yale Uni., states it best, “Marriage is a civilizing institution, a means of curbing desires or inclinations that might otherwise make social stability impossible. The device through which marriage performs thus crucial function is the notion of fidelity.”
So you tell me that gays just want gay marriage in order to be accepted… you take your “logic”/values and look at it from someone else’s view. Homosexuality is not a “choice” nor do we just want acceptance, we just want the same opportunities that any other straight couple has. The right to make medical decisions without having to “adopt” each other, the right to file joint tax returns, and the perks from the government and other things that any other straight married couple gets.
So before you judge any gay human being and think they’re just wanting acceptance… know that we’ve already been fighting for that our whole life already we just want the recognition and benefits of being a couple.
zOMG! Toooooooooootally agree. i mean wats so wrong with gay marriage?!?!?! my BFF is gay! (and 4 all those peeple who think imma gay DUDE… im not. im a girl who likes guys… end of story!)
The tabboos of America are not universal, in many countries, homosexuality is excepted. I just happen to be a Christian Republican that supports gay rights. Beleive what you beleive, it’s your opinion.
im not a hater, but in the bible it says Adam & Eve, NOT Adam & Steve!!
Thing about that though… Did you know the bible also says that any man who lies with another man’s future wife will have their own blood on their hands… It also states that eating fish without scales is an abomination. You can not use the bible to back up discrimination.
oh and also it said wearing mixed clothing is an abomination(IE cotton), so i guess we are all going to hell…
Actually, it used to. Back in the late 1700s they went around and rubbed out the “St” from “Eve”‘s name and threatened to burn anyone who objected.
Wow that’s so clever AND original!! How did you come up with that!? Pure genius!
It doesn’t say Victoria and Gary so I guess my marriage was an abomination too. What a totally pointless comment.
I have gay friends but I think being married is part of a hetrosexual culture. Standard legal marrage in the US is based off Christian beliefs..
So I think those in the gay community should be given an alternative with the same legal rights as marrage. So instead of a priest, someone else with legal authority can legally bind the gay couple together. So cheer up, it could be worse..
oh so thats why athiest can’t marry! i get it now! like history ho\as taught us: sperate but equal works!
(please dectect sarcasm)
so thats why athiests can’t marry! i get it now! like history has taught us: seperate but equal is acualy equal! (sarcasam)
Hahaha… I love you people arguing, it made my day… All the logical failures and little internet victories…
Really, though. People don’t want gays to adopt because they think the kid(s) will be treated as pets, which is funny because obviously they’ve never seem how spoiled their pets are… I know mine is…
And it would help, with all the family-less children…
Won’t someone please think of the poor, sad orphans?
I would like to make a point… I am in no way trying to smash on “die-hard” Christians, but gays are one of the more natural things that have happened in this world. for all of you believers that say it is unnatural for gays to marry, i don’t remember a whole lot of things in the bible being natural. I.E walking on water, talking snakes, dividing seas’, making a blind man see with nothing but some spit and dirt… yeah because that stuff happens everyday. If GOD didn’t want people to be gay he wouldn’t have made them that way…duh.
The failed arguments above… have made my month. x’D
Completely bereft of logic and understanding.
Not everyone is religious, not everyone has to follow one religion’s rules.
To be honest, almost everyone is as bad as eachother.
1) The haters are forcing people to accept their religion as truth.
2) The defenders are disrespecting other people’s beliefs.
I’m not going to say anything like: “God loves everyone” etc. since I am not religious.
All I’m going to say is: “Gays exist. Deal with it.”
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okay, I would love to sit here and chat about ‘god’ but really I dont care. I am just going to ask a simple question: If God want his children to be happy, and being with the person you love makes you happy, AND you are gay because the same sex makes you happy, the why oh WHY would that piss off God? If he/she had a problem with it then I’m sure we would know by now. And dont say look at all the bad stuff thats been happening latly cuz bad stuff happens all the time, not because two guys are getting hitched.
I fully agree with ‘SomeBritishGayDude’, just deal with it and shut the hell up.
um…that’s not even how pie graphs work.
Maybe this pie graph is just too advanced for you to understand.
o.O Do people have nothing better to do than try to show how they’re right or wrong to a bunch of trolls? Whether for or against gay marriage, responding to a simple graph so passionately does nothing. If you are passionately for gay marriage, then do something useful with your passion instead of arguing with idiots. Those so passionately against gay marriage, please think before you post. Quoting a bunch of biblical references does nothing when you don’t read the whole passage.
totally true
You guys need to quit arguing about gay marriage and realize what’s important: this was posted before, in a better quality I might add. Who let a repost slip?
i curse you all with constaption and some of you death
correct me if i’m wrong but all the graph is saying is that if gays marry, then all that happens is that gays marry – the world won’t come to an end, life goes on as usual… what’s so hateful about that? seems to me that it’s actually pro-gay marriage by showing that those who express their conservative views really will see none of the apocolyptic problems that a lot of them are talking about. just a thought.
Feel free to debate me on the content that follows these facts:
I love God – I’m Catholic, and enjoy religion……… I am also a *straight* female.
Now I’m going to make a vast contradiction of those facts vie personal philosophy…
Haters of homosexuals from a religious background:
God is love. Yes? Homosexual couples exist due to a bond of love. Therefore because there is *love* in such a relationship – it must be the will of God or involve some divine touch. I have a homosexual, male best friend. He currently has found himself a partner. I literally wept with joy to see them with one another, what they have is absolutely beautiful. I was once attracted to this friend before they came out, and now I feel horrible for ever having such feelings. But it’s because, picturing him as a married man ….someday with his husband, perhaps discussing the topic of his next novel on the best seller list over coffe – how could I ever wish to disrupt such a wonderful future. And homosexuals aren’t lacking in faith! Do you know what they have faith in one another. Such incredible strength to stand together despite the bigotry and hate of those who can’t perceive the beauty through their haze of pre-doctrined thoughts.
If there was no God, and the world was entirely *natural according to biological design * – men and women would inherently seek out the opposite sex. It would be very unlikely for ANY homosexual pairings to occur – a bit of a stretch but still a somewhat logical jump.
Now the reverse:
God exists – thus god’s indiscriminate love exists. Likewise the bonds of love, a higher force than original biological design exist. That means because of God and the concept of “God is love” men and women can love beyond the limitations of biological design. If anything that would imply that homosexuals are more in tune, spiritually. …
Love between homosexuals springs from the same well-spring as heterosexuals God’s love, and keep in mind the next time you’re bad mouthing a Gay or Lesbian individual……you share the same source.
Not too shabby for the ramblings of a sixteen year old if I do say so myself.
I like your comment, I do… it’s open and honest, and I respect that. I have one little problem with one of your “facts”:
You stated “If there was no God, and the world was entirely *natural according to biological design * – men and women would inherently seek out the opposite sex. It would be very unlikely for ANY homosexual pairings to occur – a bit of a stretch but still a somewhat logical jump.”
Let’s say there is no god (I didn’t capitilize for a reason) for a second. Logical extension says that animals are natural in their design, and for the most part would be attracted to the opposite sex. Yet every single day we see actions that suggest homosexuality is common in the animal world, a world built on biology and with no higher power. Therefore if it’s common in the animal world, and we as the great apes that we are, are part of the animal world – wouldn’t then homosexuality be perfectly reasonable to expect in human behaviour?
I’m not trying to insult anyone’s beliefs here, I just thought it’s impoartant to point out. Yes, I am human. Yes, I am classified as a great ape – biologically. As are you all.
References on homosexuality in animals (please note the sites here are well recogonised factually based sites):
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx
That was bloody awesome! Young Lalaithlin you’ve always got a place in Sydney to stay.
WHAT?!?!? NO!!!! NOT MY BUTTER CARAMEL ICE-CAP SUPREME!
666th
ehw you annoy the 5|-|17 out of me, so very narrow-minded, what would you do if God turned out to be gay? would you spiral down into depression? because i gotta say, you would lose your favorite hobby.
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Did anyone ever consider that bisexuals just have a higher appreciation for human value than heterosexuals? Because it seems to me that bisexuals just see the value of the person, no matter the gender. People are people; is seeing the good in them all of a sudden wrong? I didn’t think so. Each and everyone of us is one of God’s original masterpiece’s, and appreciating that and loving that is simply being thankful and appreciative of God. So are you all trying to say that is also wrong too? So it seems to me that all the “gay haters” out there are basically just saying that God screwed up on a few of his works, which I’m pretty sure contradicts him being omniscient and omnipotent. So, make up your mind guys. Believe in him or don’t.
GUYS. THIS GRAPH IS TROLLING YOU AND SUCCEEDING. SHUT UP.
That is all.
I agree but… courier new? Really? REALLY? That’s almost like using comic sans on one of these charts, NOT ACCEPTABLE.
Thanks , I have recently been searching for information about this topic for a long time and yours is the best I’ve discovered till now. However, what in regards to the bottom line? Are you positive about the source?
Sarcasm fail^
+1 \ô/
+2 *highfives*
YES. If you’d bothered to read the above comments, you might know we’d resolved that, du’uh!
I do admit that people don’t listen easily though. I repost ideas many times over. Still..
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Except for one minor problem:
If you are not Christian, you probably do not believe Heaven and Hell exist, making the whole thing irrelevant. If they were proven facts, this would make sense, but they are not. Plus, people disagree about who will go to heaven. There are many other religions, many have Heaven-like concepts, and most believe, just as many Christians do, that only members of their faith will go to their version of Heaven, and that other people, including Christians, will go to “Hell”. These religions are just as valid as Christianity. You can say only your god is real, but others say the exact same thing.
Exactly, well said. And if there is a God, who wanted to smite me for being gay, wouldn”t he have done it already? Therefore :
~80 Years being myself + infiity wherever I end up, still being myself > ~80 Years hiding who I am + infinity wherever I end up, possibly with a God who hates me but will let me into heaven if I lie about my true nature.
people have actually been to hell, brought back to life, and have written a book on it. people have also been to heaven aftera car wreck, and died, gone to heaven, and been brought back to life, and written a book on it. check it out sometime.
I bow down to you
You really need to do some more research before you talk
Oh, the idiocy.
The same arguments all over again.
“Homosexuality is awesome! Gay people can still technically impregnate or become pregnant, and heterosexual people can share AIDS too, so it’s irrelevant, duhh”
Well, the number of gays who become parents is incredibly low, and the risk of catching AIDS for them is much higher, but these two small facts are ignored for some reason.
…and your point is…?
In the US gays and lesbians have not been getting married to each other for generations. Perhaps a gay man has married a lesbian to have an “open marriage” and all of that bullshit, but what we are fighting for is the right to marry THE PERSON YOU LOVE, instead of having to lie and cheat.
I don’t see anyone trying to force the acts they indulge in into your everyday conversation, what your whole point is there I simply can not imagine unless it is to conjure up images of fluids and to make sure we all know that you are a straight man who has sex with his wife-in which case, I don’t care.
Actually the RISK of catching AIDS is much higher for gay males in rich Western countries only. Lesbians have an even lower rate of AIDS infection than than the general population. Any reputable government health body will tell you this. Today, in the developed and developing world (particularly) young women represent the fastest growing rates of infection. In Africa, spurred on by religious insanity relating to condom use, as well as ill informed government edicts, witch doctor promises, lack of education and outright bigoted fear, the HIV is destroying multiple generations and communities. A common example, village men while working long weekly or monthly stretches in the cities become infected through female prostitutes. When they return, they infect their unsuspecting wives, girlfriends and unborn children. Foul witchdoctor (read “religious leader” by any other name) remedies such as sex with virgins have led to further infections of young girls, gang rape, and rape of infant girls as young as 3 mths old.
“the number of gays who become parents is incredibly low”
How do you know its incredibly low? What is your study indicating this? As low as infertile parents who become adoptive parents? Or as low as single men/women who adopt? Have you thought about the adoption laws at all? Do you have to be married in order to adopt through government agency? Are gays allowed to be married? How long for? Does this explain your “low rate
Your “facts” need some clarification.