Comments on: What I Learned in Journalism School

By: Morn

Morn — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:23:43 +0000

I think “Fiction” should be more accurately replaced with “Lies” and the intersection can be described as both “Marketing” and “Lying by omission” – You are not technically “lying” – you just present the truth in such a way as to represent something that it is not. Kinda like selling the car where the paint is all peeling on the right side and posting only the picture of the left side of the car…

By: Stan

Stan — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:06:32 +0000

Where the Hell is the layout part of this!!! -_- I didn’t suffer several hours of cleaning up crappy layout and being snapped at for something not look straight for it not to be on there!!!

By: Devylan

Devylan — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:18:56 +0000

WIN!

By: M4ce

M4ce — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:26:20 +0000

Yep, marketing should have had its own circle that partially overlapped with truth and fiction. Truth and fiction shouldn’t have any overlap.

Fixed it for ya.

By: CK159

CK159 — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:22:57 +0000

And thus, it’s marketing.

By: jonofdeath

jonofdeath — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:45:58 +0000

In schools there are other different schools. Business school, school of fine arts, music school, and I’m sure somewhere, journalism school.

By: Cynical for almost 30 years

Cynical for almost 30 years — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:33:30 +0000

Or: VMWare brings an entirely-unthought-of-before concept to your server farm–run multiple OS images on one box!

Except…Google “IBM System/360 VM”.

By: Cynical for almost 30 years

Cynical for almost 30 years — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:32:27 +0000

Ooooh! Look! Steve Jobs invented a computer that uses this pointer thingy tethered to your computer! Apple is teh best!

Except…just Google “Xerox PARC”.

By: Cynical for almost 30 years

Cynical for almost 30 years — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:31:14 +0000

Marketers think so.

By: helen keller

helen keller — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:20:09 +0000

the colors need to be prettier

By: DRH

DRH — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:19:40 +0000

eh? Can you give an example of this “covert manipulation”? It’s usually pretty obvious.

By: DRH

DRH — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:18:05 +0000

Yeppers.

By: DRH

DRH — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:17:29 +0000

OK… I think I see a funny in here… the point is that J-students don;t learn simple logic.

By: DRH

DRH — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:15:44 +0000

Problem is, it ain’t funny. Part of the problem is that it doesn’t mean anything.

By: Alex

Alex — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:19:09 +0000

I guess the intention was to say that marketing is half-truth and half-fiction. Of course that’s not the way you actually read a Venn diagram, all the things in the truth set should be all-truth and all the things in the fiction set should be all-fiction, which makes things in marketing simultaneously completely truth and completely fiction.

By: Gustav

Gustav — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:00:10 +0000

Graph fail. It implies that marketing is the truth.

By: Kandimonkey

Kandimonkey — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:38:24 +0000

Me too. This is what I learned in J-School. It’s also why I’m not a journalist.

By: Who cares?

Who cares? — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:19:50 +0000

Quit being a graph snob. It’s a f-ing humor site.

By: Alin

Alin — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:57:41 +0000

These circles need to be closer together.

By: rubycosmos

rubycosmos — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:13:44 +0000

There’s a big difference between knowing something and owning a large expensive piece of paper saying someone else thinks you know something.

By: Missette

Missette — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:54:57 +0000

Don’t you learn this in daily life?
Do you really have to go to Journalism School?

By: Raaalph

Raaalph — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:05:36 +0000

Really? Do tell.

By: anonymous

anonymous — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:37:36 +0000

YES! I agree! I too, learned this in college…I was a journalism major.

By: TheRealWazzar

TheRealWazzar — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:35:34 +0000

Don’t expect it to get any better around the rest of the world
I’m not saying it’s the best, just far from the worst.

By: ElfKing

ElfKing — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:24:24 +0000

Ohhh…
It all makes sense to me now….

By: ElfKing

ElfKing — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:19:55 +0000

Perhaps you misunderstand my meaning. How do I explain this…okay, the doughboy is a mascot for the Pillsbury brand (as far to my knowledge, at least), which makes him part of marketing. Being, basically, a living piece of cookie dough, he also could be considered half-real and half-fake, depending on how you look at it.

By: eng442

eng442 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:56:37 +0000

usa jornalism = lies

By: chester cheetah

chester cheetah — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:34:02 +0000

… and everyone is a poet, with the text messagning and such

By: DRH

DRH — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:32:54 +0000

Syntax vs semantics.

Shin’s comments show that the diagram is well-formed syntactically. The meaning of the labels cause it to be impossible semantically. The overlap of “true” and “false” is a null set.

By: DRH

DRH — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:30:21 +0000

Nope. The Pillsbury doughboy is fictional.

fail

By: DRH

DRH — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:28:53 +0000

That’s a bit like saying “Girls Gone Wild” cheapens the local prostitutes…

By: DRH

DRH — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:26:55 +0000

Your problem is that you learned what Venn diagrams are; the maker of the graph did not.

By: jti

jti — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:02:42 +0000

One word: yeast

By: ElfKing

ElfKing — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:10:57 +0000

An example:
Truth: cookie dough, living creature.
Fiction: Living food.
Combination/Marketing: The Pillsbury doughboy.
Graph is correct and amusing. I approve.

By: Raaalph

Raaalph — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:21:14 +0000

Yeah, it cheapens real journalism.

By: Jake

Jake — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:15:28 +0000

That’s what they call it.

By: mojojo

mojojo — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:55:24 +0000

Consider swapping the words “fiction” and “marketing.” Because how they market it is often how the truth gets turned into fiction…

By: Ty

Ty — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:15:27 +0000

It could be a trade school…?

By: Jes

Jes — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:06:19 +0000

darn those teenagers and their social networking…

By: kaylia

kaylia — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:45:39 +0000

“Journalism School”? really? no just regular school with Journalism as a major but “Journalism School”?

By: jl5691426

jl5691426 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:48:47 +0000

Good illustration – I had been thinking along the same lines as Newb.

By: TheRealWazzar

TheRealWazzar — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:17:12 +0000

Schrödinger’s cat is a thought experiment, often described as a paradox, devised by Austrian physicist Erwin Schrödinger in 1935. It illustrates what he saw as the problem of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics applied to everyday objects. The thought experiment presents a cat that might be alive or dead, depending on an earlier random event. In the course of developing this experiment, he coined the term Verschränkung—literally, entanglement.

By: Max

Max — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:02:08 +0000

I always thought truth and fiction were the same thing….
I guess that comes from listening to politicians.

By: Raaalph

Raaalph — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:00:36 +0000

Everyone’s a journalist now with their blogs and social networking.

By: Shin

Shin — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:49:14 +0000

An intersection does not necessarily mean that both are logically compatible but merely that the can be combined in the same article. In chemical terms, it’s more like a suspension than an alloy, if you know what I mean.

By: newb

newb — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:43:59 +0000

How can there be an intersection between truth and non-truth? I’m confused, but not amused. Must be something I didn’t learn in college.

By: venndiagramguru

venndiagramguru — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:14:02 +0000

FIRST