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I’m glad the government did such a good job of assessing what this student knew, and ensuring that he/she knew that an apostrophe with an “S” signifies ownership, whereas just an “S” signifies plurality.
Yes, the ironing is delicious.
How about irony, genius?
I think that was on purpose, darling.
I guess that’s why the graph was submitted anonymously?
Yup, its goodly to see our tax dollar’s going to such a worthy causation. I am lymphatic abouts how the guvernment waists money when it comes to educatin’ and. Our countrees fourfathers, Steve, Joey B, Mikey, George Jefferson, and that guy that makes that cool brewski, would be eating turnovers in they’re graves since our nations founding back in 1492.
Me thinks they are using testing just to get money from the man; but get this dudes! not once did I have to pee in a cup! ha ha ha! The egg is on there joke in the face!
Gotta split dudes! The GC says I can still gradumaate if I show up every day for the rest of the year. What a tool! We just sneak out after gym anyway. Tokey just Twittered about a party tonight! Sweet. I can make that before my shift starts at McDs! What were we talkin’ about again?
Exactly.
ROTFLMAO.
Well, if federal and state governments would use more money on educational tools rather than standardized (not state) tests, maybe then students (particularly at the ever-self-entitled high school level) would be more interested in learning, and teachers would have time available to teach something other than specifically what is on a particular state’s standardized test.
LOL lymphatic
So the student OWNS the know. Um.
I think another large segment should be added “To annoy and stress out the students”
Ammend that with “and teachers”. Trust me, when your JOB rides on how your students score, it’s incredibly stressful, especially when said students care more about texting vapid messages to each other than taking to the opportunity to learn.
That’s not true for all the students! I wish my school actually had AP classes. That’d be relevant to my interests.
How stressful could it be to be standard/average?
Also his knowledge of graph mechanics?
There is state testing?
Yes, it’s all done through the state machine.
Actually, state testing would be a great tool if all states were required to test and report results equally. Unfortunately some states only test their top 5% of students and then only report the top scores of those when other states test all students and report all scores. This is kind of comparing apples to oranges and getting lemons.
Gotta love the south
Well, my state has to test all students, even those at a functionally retarded level, and yet our scores are usually near the top.
But this is also why standardized test scores from other countries are also skewed since only the more gifted students are the ones taking them.
Who’s not in charge.
Who’s on first.
That’s what I told you.
No, what is on second.
I don’t know: third base!
and I don’t give a darn!
What’d you say?
I said I don’t give a darn!!!
Oh, that’s our shortstop.
As an educator, I think the option should exist for “So proctors can watch paint dry.”
my aunt proctors exams and boy, does she get through a lot of mystery novels!
boy, do teachers hate yr aunt. she finishes those mystery novels, and kids cheat like maniacs. everyone wins!
Third reason: because parents have lost so much faith in schools’ ability to teach actual knowledge that they need some kind of assurance. No matter how flawed. Without the tests, I swear half of the school day would be spent on self-esteem, global awareness and watching movies.
You forgot the other half, which would be fighting, making-out, texting, and vandalism.
we’re not all like that, you know. i like to read, hate txtspeak, don’t date, and don’t skip (anymore)
oh, and i find any violence other than defense of self or others abhorrent.
and i learn all the material in my classes, jefoid, but god there is NOTHING that i hate more than the MCAS (known by students as the “Massachusetts Child Abuse System”)
Yes the MCAS is horrible. High school students are barely able to take a test for 40 minutes straight, I don’t understand how they thnk fourth graders could do the same. Not to mention, if teachers did not have to spend so much time on “teaching to the test”, then they would have time for real instruction, and (especially at high school level) global awareness and other issues that are important in the real world that parents are unwilling (i.e. too uncomfortable or too damn lazy) to discuss with their children and thus shovel more onto schools’ plates.
Ugh, I know! I told my parents about something to do with global warming and ecological awareness and then they accused my teacher of “brainwashing” us! >:-{
Why students complain about state testing:
1% It’s unfair and unreasonable
4% Conspiracy theories
95% They fail them miserably and blame the government for making the tests “too hard” even though it’s their fault for not paying attention in class.
Its not “too hard” at all. I just took these tests a couple weeks ago. I may be in the gifted and talented program, (not trying to brag) but I found the test very easy. Even people who I thought wouldn’t do so well didn’t find it very hard, either. If people do find it too hard, it most of the time is their fault, so I agree with you, but I don’t agree that 95% do that. I’d say maybe 10%.
Woops, had a couple grammar/consistency errors there.
I think the point Lancer was trying to make was that of the students that complain, 95% of them blame it on being too hard, not that 95% of students complain that it is too hard.
Exactly
really? i lean towards conspira- GET THE TINFOIL! THEY’RE COMING! THE ALIENS ARE FINALLY COMING! WE HAVE TO BLOCK THE MIND CONTROL!
Or that say, the tenth grade test has trigonometry problems in the math section, while there is no guarantee that every tenth grader in the state has taken trigonometry. It’s understandable if a student just has trouble with math, and the trig didn’t stick in their minds too well, but if one never had exposure to it it’s unfair to test them on it. That would be like taking a person who has never even heard of baseball, handing them a bat and helmet, and throwing him/her on the plate at a random moment.
Hence the quotes… My point was that almost everybody who was failing these things was blaming somebody else despite the fact that it was just their own fault. I’m saying the person who made this graph is one of those. Not saying ALL the people are like that, I’m saying all the people who THINK the tests are too hard are really just trying to justify their own errors. I, myself, find them to be rather easy and I’ve been in the top 10% of the students in my grade level in Minnesota who take them since about fifth grade, and I’m usually in the top 5%, sometimes the top 2 or 3.
Oh, thanks for explaining. Sorry about that misreading. I live in New Jersey and I’m usually a pretty high % on them too.
So because you have a better ability in school/taking tests *or* a better work ethic than other students and thus don’t truly empathize with their plight, you make such a grossly generalizing statement about them. As a person who “just got” everything in school and got 99th percentile on practically every standardized test, empathizing with students having trouble in school was the hardest part of my training to be a teacher. I got over it by thinking of how epically I fail at sports, and the almost guaranteed result of people assuming I just didn’t try hard enough, as opposed to just having no natural interest in or inclination towards/talent for sports.
thank you. we need more teachers like you in the world.
I don’t know what test you took, but the tests at my high-school were ridiculously difficult––material we couldn’t possibly be expected to know! And I’m ranked #1 in my class! *bites lip*
As an educator also, I agree testing is to please the parents and the government but does little to really show what has been learned. I will also throw my two cents in regarding the quality of teaching by some of my cohorts and the inability or unwillingness of administrators to just fire the horrible teachers. Teaching needs to be a self-regulated profession, much like medical doctors. This reliance on a once-a-year assessment of a teachers ablility is bunk.
Thank you! I’ve known some teachers I would have voted off the island!
I had a teacher I was almost certain never really read the essays we turned in, so I went through an entire final exam paper spelling “the” wrong. Like teh, het, eth, eht, anything I could think of.
And I got a 94%, which shows me he just decided at random what our grades were supposed to be.
He needed to be fired, but he had tenure. :<
Yeah, I had a history teacher like that in high school. While I never was a fan of the subject, I did try my best, but would only manage a C because he’d require at least one two-page essay on every exam. Instead of BS-ing two-pages like everyone else (writing things like “Mr. X is a moron.” for two pages), I put real work and effort into my test to write solid, one-page essays that would only get 50% of the allotted points. Any other teacher I had would take off a few points for a lack of length, but note that I had most, if not all, relevant information in my essay.
My Spanish teacher only grades the multiple choice on our quarter tests…; you can write the Personal Writing answers completely in English and get a 96% as the lowest score if you got all the MC questions correct.
Another option is to give former students who failed state instituted tests government jobs creating and grading state instituted student tests
Left out “guy whose company creates standardized tests gave a f*ckton of money to a bunch of legislators.”
Yup because some printing company payed millions so they could make a few thousand printing out the tests.
Dude? CREATING the test means deciding what material should go on it and composing the questions, not putting the thing on a printing press.
Yeah but in case you didn’t notice that was done by the government’s decision mostly. Case in point is they’d have to give more money than they could make by creating them.
And yet, they do. Companies that create and administer standardized tests lobby the Bejesus out of the state and federal legislature in order that this idiotic system of judging education quality via standardized tests remain the status quo. It doesn’t have to be logical y’know. Car companies lobbied themselves right into bankruptcy court over not having to produce cars that adhere to any kind of mileage standards; if they’d spent the money on R&D and retooling to conform to those standards, we wouldn’t be bailing them out now.
Our tests are online. Ha.
” Lancer says:
May 21, 2009 at 7:50 am
Why students complain about state testing:
1% It’s unfair and unreasonable
4% Conspiracy theories
95% They fail them miserably and blame the government for making the tests “too hard” even though it’s their fault for not paying attention in class.”
Lancer, I’ve scored 99th percentile on the Massachusetts state testing (MCAS) in previous years, but I still find it unnecessary- I find that the people who want to learn the material will, but you can’t MAKE someone learn, no matter how you try, or how many boring, subject-destroying tests you give them. Thanks to my state’s testing program, I no longer have the heart to read Rick Reilly’s articles (he was in one of my MCAS tests recently, having to do WORK because of instead of enjoy an article completely destroyed my enthusiasm.) Also, the tests given are pretty unnecessary, because by the end of the two weeks of testing (two hours a day) I barely care enough to keep myself from cussing and ranting towards the grader, just because I’m that sick and bored of it.
I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.
I’ve been in the top few percentiles in Minnesota the past few years, and I have to say thank goodness for them because otherwise I’d never get into college. They measure your actual knowledge of the subject rather than you willingness to work (as your Grade Point Average shows) I get great scores in the MCAs and NWEAs, but I don’t get half as great of scores in my classes since I just don’t care enough to do every bit of homework. I’d rather pay 100% full attention to a few hours of testing than three months of classes.
yeah, i agree- i have the same problem with my homework, but i’d rather have something that’s more of a definitive measure of my knowledge, rather than a pressured test- i have friends that have serious stress issues, and it still bothers me that even though some kids test well and some don’t, they still proceed to do everything in a huge, 2-3 hour testing period, and let that define part of your college decisions. it’s like having the entire US educational system uniformed and taught a certain way- some people will do well with the way you teach it, sure, but some kids are inevitably going to fail horribly, sometimes to things that aren’t their fault.
In my opinion as an educator, homework should be used to reinforce what was discussed during class the day/week/section/chapter it was discussed during, and only contain one item for each really important thing, like what would be on a test. My best math and science teachers would only assign1-3 problems a night, and the best from any subject would only require us to read what was definitely going to be discussed in the next class. Too much homework is bad for you.
on another note, is anyone else missing a reply button? you guys don’t seem to have “reply” links next to your comments anymore.
that happened to me just the other day. idk why, though.
@Lancer:
Actually, I think the tests are way too easy. I hate them because I finish them early and end up bored for an hour or so.
The kids that fail the tests complain the least because they don’t care.
I think they’re way too easy as well, the point of my percentage was that those who DO complain are just trying to justify their own errors. I can’t say I finish up really early, I have ADHD so I often find myself spacing out for several minutes now and then, which tends to add up a bit. But if you think the kids who fail complain the least, you haven’t seen some of the people I know.
I am also an educator… but I teach music. However, I did take the FCAT to graduate high school about… 6 years ago, or so.
I agree with all the people who said these tests are unnecessary. I found the tests ridiculously easy and it continues to blow my mind that many students still can’t pass them. It amazes me that many kids cannot read on grade level or do basic math functions. Yet, it also continues to amaze me that people insist on blaming their teachers or the school in general. Having been on both sides (student and now teacher), I have to honestly say in most cases it’s the students’ fault if they don’t pass. I allow kids to come in during lunch for tutoring or stay after school, or even come in on my planning period if their other teachers allow them to leave class. The ones who want a good grade come. The ones who don’t care, don’t. I can’t force these kids to try their best or even do the bare minimum amount of work.
I think we need to spend LESS time telling kids that they’re special and if they don’t pass it’s not their fault. Less time telling them to blame their parents or teachers or friends for their less-than-ideal choices in life. I think if we spent more time holding kids responsible for their choices, they’d do better in school and life.
*gets off soapbox*
I could not agree with you more! Im a year away from college graduation and am appalled by the number of my classmates that are far, FAR short of what I would consider “college material”. It scares the hell out of me that these people will make up the entirity of the professional workforce in a decade or so. They all appear to think that they are very special and not responsible for their failures (they take credit only for their successes). Seems to me that many high schools have a very extensive class on blaming everything and everyone else for one’s problems!
hmm.. the thing is though, any kid that blames a teacher is stupid. if you haven’t been paying attention, if you don’t WANT to learn the material, then you are going to fail at basic math, spelling, whatever, until you try. this is coming from a 16 year old in high school, i’m not committed to doing every bit of work, but when i’m IN the class, i do my best to learn- my only real problem is work outside of the classroom. i’ll admit, sometimes the teacher does something stupid or confusing, and that could cause a failing grade- in biology last year, my teacher had two columns with lines pointing directly between each other, 4 lines and four answers, and i thought we were supposed to put the answers on the line. i hadn’t ever seen a format like that on another exam, so it was definitely confusing for me and a lot of other kids in the class, and my quiz ended up at a 68% because of it (only one other answer was incorrect)- but a solid majority of the time, it’s because the kid thinks they’re special, that it’s okay to text and talk while some poor, tired adult is trying, tryingggg to get it through their skulls that they need to learn this material, is just trying to do their job. this needs to be fixed, but state testing really won’t help- tests should get harder, not regulated by the state. state tests are 3 out of 6 hours in a day for me, for either two days in the week or all five. I find them incredibly annoying, and by the time i finish, i want to throw the materials against a wall and scream profanities at something, that’s how tired i am of the same old state-ordered format that i’ve been taking for years on end to uniform all the teachers and rush them to hurry it up.
sorry for the length of the post. just posting my personal experience.
I’m up there with you Tyler! I would’ve commented under you, but I am missing the reply button as well
apparently, it was down for graphjam, failblog, and all the sister sites- although i haven’t lost a comment to the internet comment eating machines yet recently, which leads me to believe they might have been fixing the “add comment” button on the site?
Unintentionally, it is also a test to see if students are able to pull sticks out of their own asses if someone else puts them there.
Also, anyone remember CIM from a few years ago? lulz.
As a student who’s still taking these tests, I can say that they’re god-awful easy, at least the Florida ones. Although, I am in the “top 5%” that cj mentioned. However, the state keeps raising the bar on the tests to get promoted and graduate, and it’s starting to make even me worried. My school district bases A LOT of their funding for the schools solely on the tests scores, and those who don’t meet par don’t get as much money. Ironic huh?
I just read over your comment musiCat85; I’ve taken the FCATs since the 3rd grade, and it also surprises me how some people can’t even get BASIC math/reading questions right.
Wow – state testing is TERRIBLE. We just got done our HSAs this week and that was bad. Who writes a poem on a metal splinter, then asks kids to say that the theme is live struggles?! I agree some short of testing should be in place, but taking off the writing of the English test?! Common guys…
* LIFE struggles. They asked if the poem had anything to do with LIFE struggles.
Many of my fellow HS class of ’77 graduated with less than grade-level reading, writing and math skills.
I’ve employed many HS grads ranging from the class of ’75, up though the class of ’06, and found the product of previous EOG testing to be “graduating” too many marginally literate students.
Between passing students who weren’t performing at grade level in the 60′s and 70′s, to handing out gold stars for those who merely showed up in the 80′s and 90′s, a diploma is no longer worth the paper it’s printed on, and similar policies at the college level are making degrees meaningless.
If the states/feds are finally getting around to raising the advancement/graduation testing requirements, more power to ‘em.
They forgot “To make it appear like something is being done about the education system.”
Yeah, I think that should be about 90% of it.
Our stupid No Child Left Behind Program at work! …
The irony, of course, is that there’s a misplaced apostrophe in the first part of the key.
You forgot so that standardized testing companies can make money. Yay! ACT has a plan for your future, and it involves being tested from middle school to employment.
“standardized testing companies”? Do you realize the tests are created by the government, and not private companies?
I believe they’re made by the state Department of Education, in fact.
actually it’s that governments want us TEACHERS to know who’s really in charge. They pointlessly undermine our authority and expertise.
there was a discussion about this during my english class today..
Improper use of apostrophe! Nice job asshole!
Why is there state testing? So that people use apostrophes correctly. For example, APOSTROPHES ARE NEVER USED FOR PLURAL GOD DAMN IT.
more like 99% the government needs to do something with that huge amount of budget that are coming at them
The “paranoid conspiracy theorist” part of my mind kind of feels the same way about the armed state trooper at my school. (“armed” as in carrying a pistol) It tells me that the government just wants to make sure we know they have us under their thumb and they could kill us at any time they so desire, with little to no remorse.
doesn’t work at my school
people drew on the tests last year
The purpose of standardized testing is to evaluate the TEACHERS, not the students. Every question is designed to to tell not only if the students get the wrong answer, but why they got it wrong. If many students get something wrong for the same reason, it means the teacher did poorly, and they know what to work on in the future. Unfortunately, most teachers pay no attention to this.