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That red slice is WAY too big.
Win!
That red slice should not exist.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAY to huge
Hey, an actual graph….awesome. And besides the typo, a good one.
This one sucks. your sense makes no.
and you need to fix your damn spelling mistakes.
You need to work on your grammar, sentence structure, and capitalization. And this graph does make sense whether you like the subject of it or not.
I meant to do the your sense makes no thing.
It was to imply that he had bad grammar.
Learn to take a joke.
Learn to make a good joke.
Hear hear! Crawl back into your hole, peta-tard. This graph is quite accurate and well-made, except for a few mistakes.
An even smaller slice, so little it’s invisible, is “Protecting Animals by Renaming Them”.
Hehe, sea kittens.
I made this graph on a different account that I forgot the password for. I did not mean to say ‘pictured’ but I’m a terrible typer and the ‘s’ key and the ‘d’ key are right next to eachother.
That’s what I figured had happened. Anyone that owns a normal keyboard should get that!
And what other typos are they talking about???
just ignore its the damn internet not school
Sp mistake? Where.
BTW, STFU, IMHO.
You forgot the bits where they kill animals because keeping them in a shelter where they might get adopted is “cruel”
You forgot the bit about not making claims based on no evidence whatsoever.
you forgot that yourmom is a name reserved for PETA tards!
You forgot PETA’s been put on trial for that very thing.
no – just forgot the bit where I linked to sources – don’t blame me if you don’t know what you’re talking about
yeah, i’m pretty sure they put down somewhere around 90% of their ‘saved’ animals. Probably because they spend all their money on comercials and protests.
You forgot the bit about how Ingrid Newkirk is trying to impose breed bans and breed exterminations, and how they kill 90% of the animals they ‘rescued’.
PeTA – People Euthanizing Treatable Animals.
What have you done to try and help any animal of any kind ever? Do you have your own animal rights association? If so what is it and what exactly are your principles? Because your pointing a lot of fingers and it doesnt seem as though you have done anything for animals at all.
You are an idiot.
Im definitely am not and find no basis or reason for you to be calling me that. In fact judging by your comment I would have to say that you are an idiot.
Good day.
GOOD DAY, SIR!
I can honestly say I haven’t killed several thousand this year. Which, I believe, puts me WAY above PETA on the “helping animals scale”.
Honestly many of the things Peta do don’t benefit animal in any way. Peta has attacked multiple organizations trying to find life-saving cures for diseases for testing these medicines on animals. If you become a vegan then you can’t use many of the vaccines you need. As well, if we all boycotted zoos and stores selling meat then a lot of people would lose their jobs. They don’t want any pets in homes, yet dogs and cats have no hunter-gatherer skills. Plus, animals eat animals. Peta is a group of dipsticks that got together and spent most of their $13 million on things that benefit animals in no way.
I do my part to eat many animals.
It does make sense because Peta euthanizes more animals than any other rescue organization. They spend most of their resources trying to create publicity for themselves.
They also spend more time doing symbolic things than actually helping anyone. Kind of like actresses hunger striking for Darfur.
http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/03/why_we_euthaniz.php
Click that. Now! Before this gets out of hand!
I think most everyone can appreciate the need to euthanize badly suffering animals. The problem is PETA refuses to release veterinary information for all the animals they take in. Nobody has any idea if all their intakes look like that, or if those are just the sorry few PETA uses to justify their position. We’re told the majority of animals they take in “could hardly be called pets”, given the previous neglect the animals have received, but again, no proof. PETA has an annual budget of $30+million, yet they act like the only options a sick or injured animal has is death or suffering. There’s often a third option; it’s called treatment, and PETA could still go on doing all their “work” if they dropped a few million for veterinary care and a proper shelter. They’d have better PR if they did that too.
So you expect them to take 2000 photos of agonized animals that they put down and put them on their blog? God, CCFheads (opposite of Petard I just made up ’cause it rhymes with methhead, kind of) have no ability to recognize physical limitations. But we knew that, because that’s what Father Berman taught them.
Actually, Jacob, they don’t need to take a picture of each individual one. In theory, they would have to do a full examination of each animal the “liberate” to determine that it is passed too far into its “suffering” to be able to go on living. If they just looked at the animals and decided that appeared to be in too much pain, I’d say they were no better than any bastards that they protest against. All I personally would ask, is that they put those records out for public, but they don’t even do that.
that would be convincing if every other animal rescue organization had the same euthanization numbers. ASPCA puts down suffering animals but treats others.
Perhaps when you post something not written by the group itself, your argument might have a tad more credibility.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/5106600/Peta-under-fire-over-claim-that-it-kills-most-animals-left-at-its-US-headquarters.html
http://www.papamiket.com/?p=13522
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETA#Policy_on_euthanasia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETA#Position_on_animal_testing
But no doubt these are all “biased” reports by people who eat baby cats for breakfast….
Indeed! What a travesty for credible news outlet like GraphJam to lambaste PETA in this way! The very idea.
one word, photoshop. first off those animals wouldnt be living if they had those injuries and if they would, PETA shouldnt kill them as there is something called TREATMENT and PETA would be able to pay the cost for it if they didnt protest and cry so much
fszsdv- Sadly, I have seen some animals come in like that (the only one that looks unreal to me is the “advanced cancer” faceless dog) so I know that, as our vet says, animals can keep living through pain that humans cannot even imagine. I’m pro-euthanasia when no better alternative exists.
Still, I’m anti-PETA. This graph seems too generous in the “helping animals” slice in my opinion since every single time they show up, their zealous ignorance drags our realistic, local animal rights battles back a decade. They’re the only force on this planet that can make people who dedicated their lives to reforming horse racing DEFEND the horse racing industry! SO over the top, SO full of ignorance!
There is too much red.
That HAS to be so TRUE! How come you never hear about PETA doing anything useful…ever? It’s all just propaganda and a whole lotta hatin’! they do know how to hate real well.
Damn right there is too much red. PETA supports Breed Specific Legislation (making pit bulls and other such dogs illegal to own) because these dogs are the most abused dog breed. That makes zero sense, and hurts dogs.
Yeah, where will the dogs go?
That is such a lie- did you make that up yourself?
Oh no, PETA has come to GraphJam! Run for your lives!
ROFL
How come you never hear about the Center for Consumer Freedom doing anything useful…ever? It’s all just propaganda and a whole lotta hatin’! They do know how to hate real well.
Unless I am really mistaken, I am pretty sure the Centre For Consumer Freedom doesn’t execute over 2,100 consumers a year, just because they can’t be arsed to find homes for them.
But if they do, I stand corrected….
Chyeah, a bit too much red. The red should be as small as it can possibly go without being invisible (hey, everyone does a teensy bit a good).
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But I’m unclear on the reason of photoshopping animal pictures. In what way do they do this, and what do they gain from it?
They photoshop a picture of a cute little kid playing with a yorkie puppy into a shot of Michael Vic putting a pit bill into a wood chipper….
They fake cruelty pictures.
That’s that guy’s name! I could never remember it!
Wait, do they replace Vic with the kid, or the pit bull with the yorkie?
Oh, and the teensy bit of good consists of hot girls in “I’d rather go naked than wear fur” ads and public protests.
Wiat! You forget “making outrageous claims and putting them on billboards.”
ooh! ooh! And “trying to bribe cities/towns into changing their names.”
And 80s pop duos.
What about eating KFC buckets?
Just to get this out there … don’t forget that the Humane Society of the United States is now just a bad and wacky as PETA. About half the HSUS local chapters are now even run by ex PETA members and well as the HSUS having an ex PETA board running the thing.
Don’t give to PETA and don’t give to HSUS. Both are fringe (dare I even say terrorist … sure, why not) groups.
“Both are fringe (dare I even say terrorist … sure, why not) groups.”
Why? Not arguing, just wondering. How is the HSUS just as bad? What are they doing? I wasn’t aware that either one was bad, nor that they were similar. Just looking for some educatin’!
The HSUS is made up of PETA and ELF/ALF members that figured out most people aren’t really paying attention, and that using a name that sounds like the real Humane Society, who actually does help animals, is a good way to scam donations.
The HSUS also euthanizes animals in their shelters who cannot find homes within X amount of time.
It’s true. The Humaine Society once tried to blow up my car.
OH wait, no, you’re dumb.
win.
5 internets to you good sir
Do you even know what terrorism means?
terrorism – noun – the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
Sounds like PETA to me.
Ok, but does it sound like the Humane Society? The two groups are lumped together in the accusation.
HSUS is front group for PETA, they promote a watered-down version of PETA’s philosophy as a means of “easing” members of the public into animal rights, kind of a “the milk before the meat” thing, to use a wholly ironic metaphor. They chose the name deliberately to mimic the American Human Society, which is a legitimate animal welfare group rather than an animal rights group (there is a difference) and hustle donations out of the ignorant to further their political cause.
There should be a huge slice for “hypocrisy.” Otherwise great graph
lol people that would help animals before other people
Considering the “help” they give animals, I suppose we should be grateful…
but, yes – people like this do exist. it’s sad – and slightly scary.
Do you mean it’s sad/scary that some people would sooner help animals than other people?
Because I’d do that.
And that’s sad. There are so many things going on with people who would do something like that I really can’t list them all, but here’s a start –
Guilt complex
Romanticizing world-changing social movements
Social hardship as a child
and while I’m at it, I’ll throw in immaturity because there is no adult rationale in defending an animal whose self-awareness is debatable over another human being.
Animals are smarter than you think. And you’re a speciesist, too, because you say believe is no rationale in defending something lesser. Africans were considered lesser once. Good thing you weren’t alive then.
And children are lesser, too, so according to your philosophy, pedophilia isn’t bad at all, so we should all go out and f*ck children. Are you a pedophile, Terminal?
Are you completely de-ranged???
Yes, I’m completely de-ranged. I live in an urban setting where I cannot roam free!
But in any case, it’s not the average PETA member that people have to be scared of – it’s the geneticists and virologists who sympathise with PETA that you have to be scared of.
After all, if I had money, I’d pay a virologist to give Ebola a higher latency period and to make it more easily transmissible. A latency period of about a week to two weeks would be perfect to kill nearly 90% of the human population.
If it displays fear, it’s self-aware enough to be worthy of compassion.
I’m not saying humans ought not to have priority—it is fairly normal for animals (humans included) to help members of their own species before others, members of their own family before others, and so forth. This behavior is probably reasonable.
That’s not an excuse to abuse animals or deny them compassion, though. Moreover, owners of pets often consider said pets part of their family, in which case helping members of one’s own family before others applies. Nothing wrong with that.
I’ve always wondered about these kinds of comments.
What kind of situation would you ever be placed in where you would have to choose between helping an animal or helping a human? Would you always choose to help the animal over the human in every instance?
(For example, if there was a lost pet roaming around the neighborhood vs. your neighbor being physically beaten by someone, would you choose to go out and try to grab the pet, or call 911 for the neighbor? Couldn’t you do both?)
I’m in agreement with my desire to help animals more often than people, but I know how to judge each situation, and I would try to make the right decision objectively, if ever faced with such a thing.
I don’t value one’s life over another’s, I try to value all life equally.
Right on. I agree.
As an animal rights activist I have to say I’m neither for nor against PETA. Just please don’t judge us all based on what a few crazies have done.
Kudos to you, Zoey, for your tolerance, but, erm, it’s not just a -few- crazies…
… more like the entire kit and kerboodle.
Are you implying that all of PeTA are crazy maniacs (which would be true), or that all animal rights activists are crazy maniacs (which would be as false as a winged unicorn)?
Re: elf, I meant just the peta membera. if I thought all activists were crazy that’d mean me xD
Wait, aren’t most unicorns winged?
I think you’re thinking of pegasuses (pegusi?)
Hahahaha, awesome!
P.E.T.A. makes for great comedy. A local chapter tore down a section of fence around a pasture for domesticated deer to ‘liberate’ them. The property owner was raising the deer for vension, tanning the hides, etc. Anyway, the deer all ran out…and then within an hour or so, had all returned and went back to grazing. P.E.T.A. got mad at the deer for being too stupid to recognize their freedom.
that is classic!
I was gonna say ‘Weird how the dungheads of the Earth’s society make for great comedy,’ but then I thought about it, and realized they do so because they’re so fun to prank!
Several years ago they freed a bunch of mink in Wisconsin. The only problem: the major highway adjacent to the property. Roadkill city,
You forgot “Hugging sea kittens”!
What in the world is a sea kitten? Is it like a sea monkey or something?
Sorry, I don’t really get out much.
PETA had the “brilliant” theory that since kittens are cute, so if they got everyone to call fish “sea kittens” people would eat less.
No… They were making a point that people eat animals that aren’t cute but refrain from eating animals that are cute. As if an animals looks somehow dictated the morality of eating them. That was the message.
Ah, yes, thank you. That clears it up.
And, my weird brain and I actually consider most fish kind of cute. *shrugs*
Lamb, veal, and venison all come from “cute” animals. Some cultures also eat dogs and cats, aren’t they cute?
We eat them because they taste good and satisfy nutritional needs; looks have nothing to do with it.
I beg to differ…looks have EVERYTHING to do with it. Take these examples:
lamb: cute and tasty
veal: cute and tasty
rabbit: cute and tasty
chicken: cute (at least as chicks) and tasty
Then look at this:
elephant seal: ugly and no one eats it
norway rat: ugly and no one eats it
Suze Orman: ugly and no one eats it
HAHAHAHA
Oh, that was so good. Absolute WIN!
Cows? Squid? Crab? Not so much with the cute there…..
Elephant seal – fatty and oily and probably not that tasty
Norway rat – small and boney and probably not that tasty.
Taste has a lot to do with it.
OH SNAP EPOCH POWNAGEZ
p.s. chickens are cute either way and i love them
but not in a “PETA”ish way
I think deer are cute but I have no problem with venison. Or rabbit. Or squirrel.
And the point of Sea Kittens was actually to get kids to associate fish with kittens so they wouldn’t want to eat them. PETA said that outright.
They actually wanted to call them ‘sea kittens’? That’s it, fish is no longer their name! XD
As a PETA fan, that and making parodies of videogames are the only things I disagree with.
You do understand that PeTA is anti-pet ownership, too, right?
They also use questionable (and sometimes outright illegal) methods, peddle misinformation even to their own members, and euthanize almost all of the animals they “rescue” (yes, even the healthy ones).
Personally, I prefer the SPCA. At least they’re not extremists led by a woman who is the animal-activist equivalent of Fred Phelps.
HSUS is a money grubbing organization, but they are not as dangerous and they DO not share the same agenda as PETA. Love this graph.
1) According to government documents, PETA employees have killed more than 19,200 dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens since 1998. This behavior continues despite PETA’s moralizing about the “unethical” treatment of animals by farmers, scientists, restaurant owners, circuses, hunters, fishermen, zookeepers, and countless other Americans. PETA puts to death over 90 percent of the animals it accepts from members of the public who expect the group to make a reasonable attempt to find them adoptive homes. PETA holds absolutely no open-adoption shelter hours at its Norfolk, VA headquarters, choosing instead to spend part of its $32 million annual income on a contract with a crematory service to periodically empty hundreds of animal bodies from its large walk-in freezer.
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2) PETA president and co-founder Ingrid Newkirk has described her group’s overall goal as “total animal liberation.” This means the complete abolition of meat, milk, cheese, eggs, honey, zoos, aquariums, circuses, wool, leather, fur, silk, hunting, fishing, and pet ownership. In a 2003 profile of Newkirk in The New Yorker, author Michael Specter wrote that Newkirk has had at least one seeing-eye dog taken away from its blind owner. PETA is also against all medical research that requires the use of animals, including research aimed at curing AIDS and cancer.
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3) PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified “domestic terrorist” group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to Rodney Coronado, an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) serial arsonist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing memorandum, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich has also told an animal rights convention that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation,” adding, “Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it.”
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4) PETA activists regularly target children as young as six years old with anti-meat and anti-milk propaganda, even waiting outside their schools to intercept them without notifying their parents. One piece of kid-targeted PETA literature tells small children: “Your Mommy Kills Animals!” PETA brags that its messages reach over 1.2 million minor children, including 30,000 kids between the ages of 6 and 12, all contacted by e-mail without parental supervision. One PETA vice president told the Fox News Channel’s audience: “Our campaigns are always geared towards children, and they always will be.”
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5) PETA’s president has said that “even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we would be against it.” And PETA has repeatedly attacked research foundations like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, solely because they support animal-based research aimed at curing life-threatening diseases and birth defects. And PETA helped to start and manage a quasi-medical front group, the misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, to attack medical research head-on.
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6) PETA has compared Jewish victims of the Nazi Holocaust to farm animals and Jesus Christ to pigs. PETA’s religious campaigns include a website that claims—despite ample evidence to the contrary—that Jesus Christ was a vegetarian. PETA holds protests at houses of worship, even suing one church that tried to protect its members from Sunday-morning harassment. Its billboards taunt Christians with the message that hogs “died for their sins.” PETA insists, contrary to centuries of rabbinical teaching, that the Jewish ritual of kosher slaughter shouldn’t be allowed. And its infamous “Holocaust on Your Plate” campaign crassly compared the Jewish victims of Nazi genocide to farm animals.
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7) PETA frequently looks the other way when its celebrity spokespersons don’t practice what it preaches. As gossip bloggers and Hollywood journalists have noted, Pamela Anderson’s Dodge Viper (auctioned to benefit PETA) had a “luxurious leather interior”; Jenna Jameson was photographed fishing, slurping oysters, and wearing a leather jacket just weeks after launching an anti-leather campaign for PETA; Morrissey got an official “okay” from PETA after eating at a steakhouse; Dita von Teese has written about her love of furs and foie gras; Steve-O built a career out of abusing small animals on film; the officially “anti-fur” Eva Mendes often wears fur anyway; and Charlize Theron’s celebrated October 2007 Vogue cover shoot featured several suede garments. In 2008, “Baby Phat” designer Kimora Lee Simmons became a PETA spokesmodel despite working with fur and leather, after making a $20,000 donation to the animal rights group.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=PetaKillsAnimals.com
What’s this? A well though out, well written blog comment filled with facts backed up by sources?
What’s with that?
yeah, don’t get used to it.
If you let a FREAKING TOBACCO LOBBYIST tell you what to believe about someone, you automatically fail. (Clickie for more). You forgot to mention that your comment was copied and pasted.
BTW, their “proof that PETA kills animals” that they brag about so much, I heard that it doesn’t include the animals they immediately transfer to other shelters.
….transfer to other shelters that kill them.
Let me know when you can bring up a real point.
By the way, this discussion is about PETA euthanizing animals. What does that word mean, anyway? Oh yeah, that’s right.
“Euthanasia refers to the practice of ending a life in a PAINLESS manner.”
Thank you Wikipedia.
So why not use euthanasia on old, sick people? PETA uses it because it is more convenience and it is their belied that animals are better off dead than being adopted out. They use it for convenience, not because they animals are suffering horrific pain or anything. They euthanize mostly healthy animals.
And anyone who uses wikipedia as a main source of reference automatically fails. But since you think it is a good source, this comes from wikipedia’s page on PETA:
“PETA is against the no kill movement and euthanizes the majority of animals surrendered to them. It recommends euthanasia for certain breeds of animals, such as pit bull terriers,”
“They use it for convenience, not because they animals are suffering horrific pain or anything. They euthanize mostly healthy animals.”
Yes, they are in pain. Check your sources. The group that started that belief is funded by the people PETA fight. The trial was against two people, not the organization itself. Click the link I have up above.
So the majority of the pets they’ve “liberated” and had immediately euthanized were in pain?
Unless you define “pain” as “living in a comfortable home with a loving family,” I’m afraid you’re wrong.
That’s just the pets; I seriously doubt all of the several thousand animals they’ve stolen/released/etc. were injured or sick beyond recuperation.
And what about their anti-no kill policy? No-kill shelters are a good thing, in my opinion. Why kill an animal because nobody’s adopted it in the 2 weeks it’s been there? It’s senseless. PeTA’s leader, its policies, and its often-illegal methods are counterproductive.
Old sick people should be ‘euthanized’ if they desire it. There is no reason why anyone – human or animal – should suffer until death. (Death with dignity – Google it.)
What is your source for PETA euthanizing out of convenience?
1) KFC alone kills 1,000,000,000 chickens every year. As I have stated elsewhere, PETA is ethical about euthanasia (yes, that’s possible). So all the animals PETA kills are done ethically, and with little pain, while KFC kills the chickens with extremely violent torture (that’s not propaganda, there’s video evidence). PETA has killed 19,200 animals since 1998. Not a lot, is it?
2) That’s the long-term goal, not what we’re doing right now. Now, we just attack everything that’s insane. We are not currently against pet ownership, and I don’t think we’ll be for a while. We are against the pet INDUSTRY, puppy mills.
3) The government has created “the green scare” to label animal rights activists as terrorists. There is no such thing as the ALF. People who do not even kill anyone are being compared to Osama bin Laden.
All this is done because they target animal-related businesses.
4) Not in years.
5) Animal testing doesn’t work. Our DNA is to different to guarantee results. I heard of a drug that was tested on animals, and many people died from it. A lot of animal testing is done for product safety. We know drinking laundry detergent is bad, we do we need to torture animals to prove it again?
6) “Holocaust on your plate” was designed by a jew who lost family to the Holocaust. It is impossible to mean anything antisemitic with that being the case. Jesusveg.com has priests backing it. While the CCF doesn’t say anything about the “ample evidence to the contrary”, while Jesusveg has a section of the site that tries to debunk a lot of it.
The CCF just hopes that you’ll buy whatever they say, to make up for the omission of facts (A propaganda technique!) that they use almost constantly.
7) We’ve got a huge list of celebrities that support us, are they all hypocrites? Isn’t it possible to support one arm of animal rights and not another?
someone’s got their panties in a bunch.
Why should the fact that the list is copyed and pasted make the statistics any less valid?
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I’ve alwayes disliked PETA because they don’t belive in companion animals. Men and canines have lived and worked together for mutual benefit for thousands of years… why should we isolate ourselves from the other living creatures we shair this world with?
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Here is smore more copy and past fun for ya.
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Animal lovers worldwide now have access to more than a decade’s worth of proof that People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) kills thousands of defenseless pets at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. Since 1998, PETA has opted to “put down” 21,339 adoptable dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens instead of finding homes for them.
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PETA’s “Animal Record” report for 2008, filed with the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, shows that the animal rights group killed 95 percent of the dogs and cats in its care last year. During all of 2008, PETA found adoptive homes for just seven pets.
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Just seven animals — out of the 2,216 it took in. PETA just broke its own record.
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Why would an animal rights group secretly kill animals at its headquarters? PETA’s continued silence on the matter makes it hard to say for sure. But from a cost-saving standpoint, PETA’s hypocrisy isn’t difficult to understand: Killing adoptable cats and dogs – and storing the bodies in a walk-in freezer until they can be cremated – requires far less money and effort than caring for the pets until they are adopted.
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PETA has a $32 million annual budget. But instead of investing in the lives of the thousands of flesh and blood creatures in its care, the group spends millions on media campaigns telling Americans that eating meat, drinking milk, fishing, hunting, wearing leather shoes, and benefiting from medical research performed on lab rats are all “unethical.”
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The bottom line: PETA’s leaders care more about cutting into their advertising budget than finding homes for the nearly six pets they kill on average, every single day.
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The Virginia Beach SPCA, just down the road from PETA’s Norfolk headquarters, manages to adopt out the vast majority of the animals in its care. And it does it on a shoestring budget.
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Years of public outrage has not been enough to convince PETA to eliminate its pet eradication program.
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Now the death toll of animals in PETA’s care has reached 21,339, including more than 2,000 pets last year. That’s not an animal charity. It’s a slaughterhouse.
Bottome line: if you actualy care about animals eat free range meat and eggs, and pop in to your local animal shelter to see what you can donate to help.
If you actually care about animals, you’ll find alternatives to eating them and removing animal based products from your life.
Most people choose not to do this because they are either lazy, don’t care enough, care but try ‘not to think about it’, or all 3.
Thank you for saying that!
If you really cared about animals, you would eat many of them…
Omnivorism and carnivorism are natural things. You should rail against people consuming chemicals. After all, people are animals, too.
Oh, they have celebrites (used his misspelling) that support them….they must be right! because Alec Baldwin is a good guy as long as you are not his 12 year old daughter.
Look above, I didn’t misspell it. You’ve proven that you’re retarded.
1) Click my link above.
2) Click my link above.
3)http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Whatisterrorism.jpg
That cartoon sums it up for you.
4) Whites haven’t kept slaves in years. Does that mean we should hate them because “they did it once”?
5) http://www.opposingviews.com/questions/can-medical-research-on-animals-be-justified
There is a legitimate reason for it? Decide for yourself.
6) If Resident Evil’s racism isn’t crass, uncouth, and distasteful to you, why is this? Because YOU hate the group throwing it?
7) If you’re sure that there’s a legitimate reason for animal testing, I’m sure they fire the spokespersons. I’m going off my own assumptions. You’re going off your own assumptions with #5. If you flame this paragraph, you flame your own #5 paragraph. Enjoy yourself.
It sounds like you just hate PETA, take propaganda to heart, and throw illogical rebuttals whenever you disagree with them.
By the way, you asked me a question that I forgot to answer. Where is my compassion and decency for 2000 animals a year who died at the hands of people who promise ethics for “no reason”? It’s hiding with your compassion for the 1,000,000,000 chickens that are killed like this because “they served a point as nutritional value”:
(Note: Pilgrim’s Pride is one of KFC’s biggest suppliers)
The chickens you see being thrown against the wall ARE NOT LIVE. They are already dead, the movement is from muscle spasms after death. I work for a sausage company, and the pigs do the same thing. Before you go off, the pigs are killed humanely using HUGE amounts of electricity. Their dead before they hit the floor. Takes a total of 2 seconds. As for the stomping on them thing, thats just people being idiots. Happens no matter where you are.
How do you know it is just a muscle spasm? Are you a biologist as well as a farmer? Yes, I know that chickens continue to run around after their heads are cut off, but things are going to flinch if they’re in pain. And why would you throw a dead chicken against the wall? It also makes perfect sense that your employer, propaganda machines, etc., would LIE and say that that’s a muscle spasm, because if they didn’t, they’d look bad (duh, it’s a factory farm, it’s supposed to look bad).
“As for the stomping on them thing, that’s just people being idiots. Happens no matter where you are.”
Why do you think people go vegetarian, silly?
You don’t sound like a particularly renowned scientist yourself there, pal.
Thou canst not feel pain if thy brain doth be dead. Muscle spasms after death happens in humans, too. Things are going to flinch when in pain, but that doesn’t mean pain is the only cause of flinching.
If you want humane slaughter, push for humane slaughter, but stop making an ass of yourself.
How do I know their dead, you ask? Well, the electricity run straight across their heart at around 20 amps, it only takes 0.7 milli-amps to stop a heart cold. If they are unable to walk up the kill chute, 99% because these pigs are mean as hell to anything that moves and fight each other constantly, they get a point blank .410 shell to the brain. If you’d still like to argue that they are alive after that one, your not really worth the time. BTW, I never said I was a farmer, I’m simply an employee. You made that assumption all on your own, how many more have you made in these comments?
Throwing a chicken against a wall probably signifies there is something wrong with it, and not usable for human comsumption. It looked to me like a quality control line.
I have no idea why people go vegan. I am almost completely carnivorous. The only thing besides meat in my diet is cheese, milk, and bread.
I LOVE FOX HUNTING…
Well, I don’t Love it, but I accept that it’s necessary in most rural areas of the UK, and that 90% of anti-hunt protesters, are PeTA members (ie, good old fashioned retards), and 85% are Urbanites.
Hey, those chicken decapitators listen to some pretty rockin’ tunes.
Dead or aliiiiiiive!!!
The only reason they hate Kentucky Fried Chicken is because those hipppies can’t afford it.
Sources please. The both of you.
Oh, Jacob! Our DNA is not all that different- in fact, we use a unicellular slime mold to study tissue differentiation and E. coli mutants to study mutagens before carrying out studies on mammals because they have enough similar pathways etc to be relevant for human diseases! There are also plenty of medical studies now done with transgenic mice or rats or even pigs- that is, animals who have been developed/bred with a human gene of interest replacing their specie’s version of that gene. It may sound scary, but it’s already drastically reduced the number of animal subjects needed for valid research! Before drugs are placed on the market, they go through testing in humans as well and, as you mentioned, sometimes there are still major issues to work out. Without animal studies, however, the deaths you mentioned would not be as incredibly rare as they are today
Also, some treatments being tested for human use in the future are already helping animals, such as stem cell treatments for joint damage being used to treat horses!
Educate yourself! Medical research is important for humans and the researchers do their best to minimize the number of animals used AND the negative effects of the testing!
The obvious snag with the PETA viewpoint is that if we no longer needed to use animals for various purposes…IE everything from pets to leather coats…then pretty soon there would be no animals grazing in fields…no dog-shows..no cute kitties (terrestrial ones). So in effect the animals they were trying to protect would be liberated right out of existence. The only animals left would be the ones we have no interest in either propagating or protecting for such reasons as eco-tourism or whatever.
Wouldn’t the world be a sadder place with no picturesque farm animals in view on long country drives and so forth? Is this really the aim of PETA?
It may be picturesque to see farm animals grazing, but wait until they come in the barn for slaughter. “Out of sight, out of mind” for a lot of people.
so casa, what are the basis of all your “facts” against PETA? our are you just regurgitating something someone has told you, which i strongly suspect is the case, without any actual proof of your own to back them up. don’t believe everything you read! you state one of the sources as being your government which (and i am assuimg you meant the US government) if you are stupid enough to believe anything they tell you no wonder the whole world is in the mess it is!
Haha. You lose. All of those “facts” came from sources. All you have is a statement that says “you shouldn’t believe your sources.” The world IS full of morons, my friend.
http://www.consumerdeception.com/
TWiFOM is right, my friend. Don’t always believe your sources.
-What- sources?
The best part of this whole thread, is Jacob proving just how narrow minded PETA people are at the same time showing complete disrespect for the mentally challenged by using a slur like “retard”, which, to people with challenges, is like using the n-word.
Have you ever noticed how prevalent “retard” and the n-word are?
What about “gay”, isn’t that offensive too? You should look around the internet before you call out someone as intolerant. Anyway, I apologize for jumping on the bandwagon.
Wow, so as a PETA defender, your justification for using a word like that is because everyone else is doing it?
What a hypocrite.
Maybe if PETA stopped wasting time making stupid “requests” (like having the Pet Shop Boys change their name to Rescue Shelter Boys or asking Ben and Jerry’s to use breast milk instead of cow milk in their ice cream) and did something that MATTERED, people would take them seriously instead of viewing them as the nutjobs they are.
I hadn’t heard that about the Pet Shop Boys. Hee!
“What have I … what have I …. what have I done to deserve this?”
I did! That was just a couple weeks ago.
Goodness, I’m learning all sorts of new things today about PETA…
Where would they get all the women to make the milk for the ice cream?
And how many people would buy and eat that??
If there’s one thing PETA knows, it’s how to use women to their advantage…
I heard that the Pet Shop Boys actually liked the idea. Also, PETA said the request was a joke on their blog.
The breast milk thing is actually an interesting thought. What makes drinking the milk from cows any different than drinking the milk from breasts? Both milks are used to nourish the infants of each species.
Plus, there are plenty of other alternatives to milk and dairy anyway, that have just as many nutrients and is healthier for a person than dairy, so there really is no excuse for still using dairy, other than for the factory farming industry to make more money.
what about people who like milk? i LOVE the taste of milk. I’m on a diet ¬¬ and on my quest to a healthier self i discovered milk is actually pretty unhealthy. lots of fat (its GOOD fat…but still fat), lots of calories, low in calcium, low in vitamin d (which is what makes your body absorb calcium). i only drink milk as a treat and seldom. but long story short; i disagree. yeah, theres alternatives for dairy but it doesn’t mean we all have to get them. There IS organic milk farms and cow-friendly milk farms. you just gotta learn to look around.
Oh, yuck. I’m sorry, there is something (about the ben and jerry’s thing) there that is just…..whats the word….
YES! PETA sucks.
I’m eating turkey.
PETA is not a good representation of the animal rights community. Most animal rights activists I know dislike PETA and their campaigns. Don’t discount the message just because one of the many messengers is completely bonkers.
And trust me, no pictures have to be photoshopped. Humanity is doing an excellent job of creating disgusting photo ops.
No kidding! Have you seen Jessica Simpson lately? ZING!
Ya think? PeTA are hypocrites that don’t deserve the title of ‘animal rights activists!’
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And I expect they might photoshop some pictures. Just because they don’t have to doesn’t mean they won’t.
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Nice “ZING” on that one.
True – animal rights is a real issue, and there are many people out there doing good work in protecting animals (The Humane Society, RSPCA in the UK and Australia, and many others) – but PETA gets all the headlines for being a bunch of extremist mouthpieces when the people actually doing something get forgotten about, which is a real shame, because then the real credit doesn’t got to those people doing the good deeds
PETA wouldn’t be all that bad if they didn’t try to force others to share their views. I myself am a vegetarian. I think that animals should have their rights, but PETA has gone a little bit too far.
But that’s just my opinion.
The thing that I don’t get: PETA says that it is NOT okay for a human to eat a salmon, but it IS okay for a grizzly bear to eat a salmon.
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Well, when the PETA activist tried to explain to the grizzly bear that it should be kind and not exploit the salmon and offered it a nice bowl of iceberg lettuce, the bear ate them.
+1 internet
dissimilitude for the win!
Allow me to play devil’s advocate on this one, because I, for one, LOVE salmon. Go Pacific Northwest!
Anyway – I’m sure some dingbat will correct me if my interpretation is wrong, but the difference between a bear eating a salmon and a human eating a salmon is that 1) humans are omnivorous and can survive off of vegetables; 2) humans (in many cases) have a variety of foods to choose from, not to mention methods to create food without harming other things, where as a bear eats what it can when it can to survive; and 3) humans possess the capacity for moral decisions, but bears rely on instinct.
That’s why.
Actually, I believe bears are omnivorous as well. Animals are also guilty of mass killing just for the fun of it. Bald eagles will kill for the sport alone, especially if the prey is plentiful. A friend went to view a mass migration of ducks and the bald eagles were having a blast killing and leaving the bodies to rot.
Right, but the point is scale. How many bears and eagles are there in the world vs. the number of humans who eat salmon? It’s really a question of sustainable yield, which we pretty much fail at.
Responsibility is an issue too – many would argue that those eagles had no concept of the senseless death and waste they were creating. However, humans are widely considered moral beings [I confess I have my doubts at times too] and, with our advances in science, technology, and veggie noms, we *could* continue as a species without ever killing another animal for food (or sport!) again. So since we as humans can wrap our minds around the concept of senseless [animal] deaths, and can prevent those senseless deaths by altering our lifestyles, some would argue that we as humans have a responsibility to avoid eating salmon and killing ducks for fun or whatever.
Sorry, that argument would’ve come out clearer if I were less drunk and irritated right now, but I hope you can get the gist of what I’m trying to say.
Yeah, but have you had roast duck? My goodness it’s almost magical.
Not to mention that going vegan (because PeTA is pretty much anti-animal-based anything) requires one to consume LOTS of vitamins and health supplements just to keep their body from metabolizing itself.
Going vegetarian requires less of that, but you still have to find substitute sources for the protein our bodies need, and they’re not always easy to get.
That’s completely false. Vegetarian and vegan foods have plenty of vitamins and nutrients, and are better for you than a meat-based diet.
It can be unhealthy if you don’t eat the right things, but that can be said about ANY diet.
The only vitamin that would need replacement in a veg*n diet would be B12.
I think my nutrition experts would heartily disagree with you there, G. Sorry. We’re designed as omnivores, end of story!
Wow your “nutrition experts” had better go back to school because like G said that is completely false. We are not omnivores. Our intestinal tract is way to long and sophisticated to break down such complex foods like meat. It takes a long time to break it down.
Now, if you look at the intestinal tract of say… a lion- it is much shorter and not very sophisticated.
That is because lions consume mostly meat and it is designed in a way that the meat doesnt have to be broken down as much and passes through faster than humans do. In fact, one of the first things you learn as a nutritionist is that the ultimate healthy lifestyle would be one of which requires no meat in it at all.
Also, like G said, the only vitamin that would be missing would be B12. Which can be found in other sources. Anyway, if you really want to know- instead of just going by what you heard, or making it up on the fly (which by your comment looks like you did both) just do a little research. The only people left who are still saying the things you are saying are the painfully obvious ones who we can all tell has no clue about what they are talking about.
Oh Juiia, you’re so cute with your “facts” and defensive name calling! I didn’t get into the field I’m in by reading about carnivore digestive tracks on PETA’s website, you know
How many years of medical school have you finished thus far? I’m gonna wager you’re in high school or majoring in psych. My “nutrition experts” are medical doctors (not PhDs in BS) who have gone back to school and received licenses in nutrition so they can better help cancer patients in that way.
I will agree that red meat is very hard for some people to digest, with cattle being the worst. A diet heavy in whole grains, vegetables, low-fat dairy, and fish is truly the healthiest. A small amount of poultry and red meat finishes up the “ideal diet” with the rest of what your body needs. Vegans have the shortest lifespan of any diet category, shorter even than “meat and potato” types, and time and time again we see people who “magically” start feeling better once a small amount of meat is added back into their diets.
What makes you think killing and eating a plant doesn’t harm anything? Plants are living organisms, you know.
‘Course, they don’t really seem to do much other than sit there and make oxygen (which is not to say that this isn’t useful!), but who’s to say they don’t have some sort of mind as well? Just because we don’t recognize it as such doesn’t mean it isn’t there, yes?
Point is: you can’t avoid killing -something- in order to eat. Eventually, technology may remedy this problem, but in the mean time we’d best quit worrying about it and accept the cycle of life as it is.
Your claim about plants is such a fallacy, I don’t even know how to address such and idiotic comparison.
The whole point of veg*nism isn’t to prevent and completely stop all killing of all living things (though that would be fantastic), but rather to lessen the suffering of animals by doing as much as one can realistically do and within their means.
If I have learned nothing else from parroting everything Stephen Colbert says, it’s that bears are godless killing machines. They are a serious threat to our national security and salmon stocks. What’s next? Are we to allow people to marry bears and have them drain our social security fund? I for one am anti-bear and pro family.
Uhhh, because that’s what a grizzly bear eats, seeing as how it can’t go to the store and buy an alternative.
Not to mention the fact that there’s a big difference between doing what an animal naturally does, and humans’ factory farming.
I mean, wow. Learn you a book or something.
you need to work on your spelling and grammer
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Grammar.
In any case, I am all for Animal Rights, I don’t believe in abusing animals and the such, it is wrong. However, what ever happened to Human Rights? Like my right to eat meat, if I so choose to. And my right to get a pet from whatever place I like? And my right to wear fur? Sure, go on and say that by supporting the industries that abuse animals, I myself am abusing them in a way. Well, a lot of people buy stuff at Wal-Mart, despite the fact that it’s growth in America resembles cancer, with loads of little Wal-Tumors popping up everywhere, and the horrible way they treat their employees. Aren’t they abusing humans by supporting a company that makes it’s profit by walking all over other humans? I’m pretty sure there’s loads of holes in my logic, in fact, I suspect more than one PeTA-tard and/or Wal-Tard will pop up and point all of them out. Still, it makes sense to me, and that’s enough to satisfy my conscience. So, I will not abuse a cow. But I -will- eat one. Mankind didn’t spend millions of years evolving to the top of the food chain to eat the same stuff as the bottom-feeders.
My 2 cents, I have shown you them.
I respect your right to be a cruel and disgusting person by eating meat and supporting factory farming. I also respect your right to call me names and disagree with what I have to say.
You’ll find that a lot of veg*n people choose to avoid Wal-Mart and other companies that support sweat shops, but realize that it’s unrealistic to completely avoid it at all costs – same goes with animal-based products. (For example, cars are made with leather and for some it’s not possible to go without a car. Ergo, the veg*n is supporting factory farming in a round about way.)
“Mankind didn’t spend millions of years evolving to the top of the food chain to eat the same stuff as the bottom-feeders.” Exactly. Thus, meat and dairy alternatives.
“The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins.”
Anyone that says that it is their right to eat animals/wear fur etc, needs to remember that these are immoral practices that destroy lives for no good reason. Anyone who eats meat or wears fur does it simply because they enjoy doing it and it is a convenience to them. They don’t think about the fact that the right an animal has to live is more important than the 5 minutes of satisfaction afforded by a fur coat or a cheeseburger.
Also, everyone loves to say how much PETA sucks and how little they do to help animals, but you have to ask yourselves “What have I done to help animals?”.
I’ve adopted 7 cats, 2 mice, 4 rats, 3 birds, 3 ferrets, and other homeless pets. That’s what I’ve done. I’ve worked to earn money to feed these animals, get them their supplies, and I spend a lot of my time playing with them and making sure they are happy. That’s what I’ve done to help animals.
I agree with wearing fur and leather. There are faux versions that are just as pretty and there is no reason to really wear them. But we ARE omnivores. There are MANY omnivores in the world. Regardless to what lies people make up, we are capable of digesting and absorbing important vitamins and minerals that come from meat. We have teeth shaped for this exact purpose. HUMANS are animals, too. It’s horribly egotistical to think we’re anything more than just another mammal just because we can write, speak, and use logic. There’s no such thing as a wild dairy cow. These are animals made through domestication. I live in an area with tons of farms, those animals are treated VERY well up until their day when they are slaughtered for food. And cows LIKE being milked. They will actually leave their calves to go get milked. This isn’t torture. This is nature.
If you don’t like nature, too bad. You can’t escape from our crazy little world and it’s apparent endless misery with the fact that to live you sometimes need to kill. Life feeds on life. And do you care about the feelings of plants? They’re living creatures, too. Don’t you care how they feel about being eaten? Do you know whether or not a carrot feels fearful? So it only matters if it has a face?
Biology. Study it. And stop crying.
THANK YOU!
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I know my chickens are very happy little creatures riiight up to the I’m-going-to-eat-you-now part of their life. Free range birds that get to run and chase buggs taste much yummyer than ones that live in a box.
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Life is sacred, that’s why you shouldn’t waste it. Carrots included. ^^
You win 3 internets for this most eloquent, thoughtful, and inspiring post. Bravo.
we are capable of recognizing suffering and we are capable of eliminating unnecessary suffering. we can be compassionate. greater power brings greater responsibility.
also, please don’t confuse animal welfare with animal rights
wow, closed minded. I myself, eat meat. not because i enjoy it but because when i was a vegetarian, doing everything right, i got seriously ill. I do not agree with eating meat if you are not willing to hunt the meat. If you do eat meat, which is more responsible, using every part or wasting most of it because you don’t want to wear fur or eat a certain part? which is better for the environment? cotton that uses an astonishing amount of toxins and resources in its production, along with maybe child labour depending on source, or pesticide free ethically spun silk? leather that was naturally tanned from the animal you killed to feed your family or the plastic stuff called artificial leather that people use to replace a perfectly good material. Also which animals are in a greater risk of being extinct? Animals we breed to feed ourselves, provide ourselves with companionship or the animals that we have no need of and don’t feed? I don’t think cows will be extinct any time soon, do you?
ahhh, “morals” – there’s the rub. Keep in mind that your morals are not shared by all – some people feel that it IS their right to wear fur and eat meat and even hunt for sport. And they are perfectly entitled to their moral stance as you are to yours – after all, people have rights too. You cannot force your stance on them, nor can they force theirs on you. The best you can do is to show the benefits of your moral stance outweigh the benefits of the other.
Is an animals right to live really more important than my sustenance? I think you live in a fantasy world where everything’s happy and everybody hugs and prances through grassy fields, and forget that EVERYTHING in this world consumes other things for survival, and anything beyond preventing the depletion of a population is psychotic.
Now, I want you to ask YOURSELF, “what have I done besides chase a cause for the sake of making myself feel superior to other people?”
And quit bringing up fur. Fur coats are ugly. Leather and suede on the other hand . . .
“Now, I want you to ask YOURSELF, “what have I done besides chase a cause for the sake of making myself feel superior to other people?””
That’s really not fair. Do you really think that everyone that goes vegan does so because they want to feel better than you? If you automatically assume that then you probably have some self doubt problems in the first place or you’re just paranoid that we’re out to make you look inferior. Thinking that is like thinking that all white people that took part in the bus boycotts did so just to feel like they were better than other white people. Is it really so difficult to accept that ALMOST ALL people do what they believe is right to some extent and occasionally do stuff to help out other people? Using your logic, I could call you a egotist for ever donating to a charity.
Animal rights advocates are not elitist, because anyone can do what we’re doing. We have no amazing abilities that other people do not have to see what is right and wrong. Our message is very simple, and anyone can comprehend it and act on it. We are not exclusive, and want to promote our ideas so that as many people as possible do what they can to help ALL animals, human and non-human.
I work at a rescue, providing all-hours emergency care and helping with complicated dieting needs of these abused and neglected animals. I also give my time to training them so they are more likely to get adopted to a loving home.
Oh, and I friggin’ hate PETA. We’re cleaning up another one of their messes this afternoon, joy of joys.
Posts like most of the above are reasons I’d rather help animals than people.
And for the record, I’m a “PETA person” (as the pie would have me labeled) and the two major things I do, regarding animals and my concerns about their treatment, are A) volunteer at my local humane society (which usually involves playing with and socializing the animals, and occassionally volunteering to take animals to ‘adoption events’ where they’re introduced to potential adopters) and B) taking my little list of companies and brands that don’t test on animals with me when I do my shopping.
Oh yes, and I occasionally eat noms consisting of tofu. Delicious tofu noms.
Sure, you don’t see me in the news, just like you don’t see the majority of “PETA people” (again, as the Great Pie Chart has deigned us) in the news. That doesn’t mean that people associated with PETA are always throwing paint on people wearing fur or being naked or whatever y’all have a problem with.
Yeah, sorry to interrupt the lolz, but it really, really bothers me to hear so much [ill-informed] hate directed towards a group that, as a whole, is incredibly passionate about caring for and protecting our anipals.
You’re the only sane PETA member I’ve met, then. I’ve talked to many and so far they’re all bat guano insane. Much to the point that as soon as someone says they’re involved with PETA, I shudder and know it’s about to start… further “ill informed” notions. I had one of them tell me we’re not omnivores and we can’t digest meat at all.
Also, tofu is bad for you in large amounts. I hope you’re not eating a whole lot of it. Especially if you’re a male.
I agree with Zee here.
I’ve actually been accosted by a PeTA member here in NY. He screamed at me for wearing “dead animals” and spray-painted my jacket before I could respond.
The jacket, incidentally, was fake leather.
CJH is the only sane PeTA person I know. Why not move to the SPCA or Human Society, or any organization that actually DOES help animals and doesn’t resort to criminal acts or propaganda?
When a group goes out of its way to do incredibly insane and idiotic things, just to get its name out, it SHOULD be ridiculed.
Yes, I will judge a “PETA person” differently than someone that actively supports the ASPCA, for example.
There are SANE and INTELLIGENT ways of being “incredibly passionate about caring for and protecting our anipals.”
-putting up billboards claiming that feeding meat to your child is child abuse
-attempting to bribe a city to change its name from Hamburg to Veggieburg
-attempting to get Ben and Jerry’s to use breast milk instead of cow’s milk
-trying to rename fish “sea kittens”
NONE of those are good examples of sane and intelligent ways of being an animal rights activist.
You don’t like what’s being said about PETA? Getting offended? How about aligning yourself with a RESPECTABLE organization that does that PETA can only CLAIM to be doing?
Either that or STFU and deal with it. You’re free to do as you wish, but if you claim to be a part of something that is clearly insane, you need to be ready to deal with the ridicule.
Its like Scientology. You can’t be part of something that full of crazy and not expect to be mocked!
Why do people use the word “nom?” It’s annoying enough as it is when it comes to cat and dog food – don’t use it for human food.
Let’s all take a moment to ask ourselves, “What am I doing to make sure that guy in Seattle doesn’t cringe whenever I talk about eating food?”
hahaha whenever I hear nom I think of the National Organization for Marriage and their “Gathering Storm” video.
hahaha me too!
Came from GraphJam’s mother site, ICHC.
It’s lolspeak; get used to it, because it’s become fairly mainstream slang.
iIs it your right to own human slaves too? Just because we CAN kill others for food does not mean that we SHOULD. And if might did mean right, than my possession of a gun grants me the right to kill any person I want. I am a strict vegan and feel very strongly that animals should have the right to live and be free. However, I think PeTA is just a group run my egomaniacs that only succeed to actually hurt the cause of animal rights and make every animal rights activist look like a damn fool, but at least most of them have good intentions. I actually find many PeTA jokes pretty funny unless they characterize the entire animal rights movement as neo-hippie douchebags, which is incredibly untrue. Besides, is it wrong to promote a cause that will save the lives of billions of non-human animals every year? What about vehemently supporting the mass movement against human murder? They are both really the same question. If you base our right to do with others (animals) in any way we see fit on our intelligence, our ability to talk, or things of that nature, then would it not be okay to allow someone to hurt another human solely because they were a mute, or retarded? Of course not. That is most animal rights activists’ opinion (Surprisingly, most animal rights activists dislike PeTA because the higher ups dilute their real message by doing their stupid antics, which only causes normal people to think of PeTA as laughable, which make people think that every person that advocates animal rights is a nutjob “PeTA-tard”). Also, animal rights are human rights, but people tend to focus on helping the more helpless first, and then moving to help humans’ rights. Some people go for both at the same time. I, myself, believe that human rights is just a sub-category of animal rights and ALL of animals’ rights should be granted as soon as possible.
But do you pocket mulch?
what? i looked that up and still couldn’t find out what that was.
My pets are not slaves. They are friends. Every single one has been a rescue animal, too.
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Seeing-eye dogs and other companion animals are not slaves. They are generally treated well and cared for. They’d get paid, but they don’t value money like we do.
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We’re omnivores. Eating meat isn’t just something we do because we can; it’s something that is genetically ingrained. We need the nutrients from meat to keep our bodies healthy. If you’re a pure vegan, I guarantee that you either 1) have poorer health than the average person, or 2) have to take several vitamins and supplements to make up for the lack of animal proteins and other nutrients you don’t get from veggies.
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Animals eat each other. Do you believe that they should all be made to become herbivores, as well? If not, why?
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/042009/1241026298_peta_activism_on_the_catwalk_fail_.gif
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PETA has had more success helping animals than any other animal rights organizations. Obviously their tactics are working for them.
PETA needs to get lots of publicity (Good or bad) to get the word out about what is really happening to animals. Most people don’t know how cruel and inhumanely animals are treated by humans. Everyone knows that they are eating a dead cow, but they don’t know that it couldn’t turn around or lay down for their entire lives; that they were tortured by factory farm workers for most of their lives; that they are killed in horrible, disgusting ways that you and I cannot even fathom.
I don’t see how it is insane that PETA members do attention-getting demonstrations, however, it is acceptable for humans to treat animals the way that we do in factory farms/kitchens, laboratories, entertainment industries, clothing industries, etc.
I think that you guys all have your morals, beliefs, and idea of what “insane” means backwards.
PETA kills animals and degrades women.
[citation needed]
Agreed! Thanks to you and the few others who brought attention around to the actual point: animal welfare. It’s easy to say “I’m against animal abuse” but folks seem too horrified by it to learn the details (when details are offered), so no depth of knowledge exists.
Just because PETA is insane doesn’t mean the treatment of the animals they are “protecting” isn’t insane as well. There’s nothing “backwards” about it.
And now you’re judging the morals and beliefs of everyone that doesn’t like PETA? You CAN be an animal rights activist, and NOT be crazy!
You can EDUCATE people, and HELP animals without discrediting your organization. PETA, however, has apparently never learned that, and has now made itself into a joke.
well then why is this chart about PETA and not about factory farm workers?
Why are there twice as many sites against PETA than against factory farming?
Why do people talk about how ridiculous PETA is over a steak? get it together
PeTA kills more animals than any other organization out there.
Their tactics actually HURT animal activism.
They’ve even resorted to lies and misinformation to further their goals.
They’re against people having pets (which cannot feasibly survive in the wild). They prefer to destroy pet animals instead of finding them homes.
There’s a line between “attention-getting” and “destroying private property.” PeTA has attacked people, destroyed property and belongings, and committed other crimes in its fanatic “total animal liberation” quest.
Also, the SPCA has NO-KILL shelters. Do you understand what that means? At least they only euthanize animals that have no hope of living without constant agony; PeTA kills even perfectly healthy animals.
You forgot euthanizing “rescued” animals without bothering to try to find them a home.
So true! I’m a vegan and I think PETA is a bunch of morons.
I’m not just a vegetarian, I’m a vegan–7th level. I don’t eat anything that casts a shadow.
Self-righteous.
There’s a man in India that doesn’t eat anything but sunlight!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1691322/posts
Talk about light meals.
That’s quite possibly the best pun I’ve heard in my life.
Evolving the ability to photosynthesize, is he?
Humans having the ability to gain all of their required nourishment from sunlight does not make sense, for at least two reasons:
1. There are a bunch of materials the human body cannot synthesize and must eat. These are called vitamins. Some are also produced as a consequence of exposure to sunlight, but most are not.
2. Evolution would not select for such an expensive, complicated, and fragile digestive system if solar energy and water were sufficient. For that matter, most of the human body’s organs are a lot less useful given such an ability.
Finally, I can’t help but smell fraud. It’d be too easy. Likely this guy is ingesting things when nobody’s looking.
Haha, is that line from The Simpsons?
i once read somewhere (wish i could find the site again so i could link it) that the president of peta takes medication that has been tested on animals. yay hypocrisy!
i love animals, but i can’t stand peta. it’s like a freaking cult.
Agreed. As is shown by some of the posts above, and the graph linked below.
No PETA member can be made to see reason. I’d rather put my time and energy into ACTUALLY helping animals in reputable and sane ways. So I will continue my animal rehabilitation, and I will continue to donate my time and money to local no-kill shelters, and keep the respect I have for myself, and that others have for me.
The average day of a PETA basher:
http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=4081728
What, couldn’t handle people recognizing crazy for what it is, so had to make a lame attempt to retaliate?
See!
That is a little off. Most PETA bashers do not define themselves by their animal activism, so yeah, there is not a lot of red. But you left out the time spent having jobs, socializing with friends and being otherwise productive in the world. Also, the blue would be a sliver because other than crap like this, PETA is not even a though in most “bashers’” daily lives.
Seconded.
Honestly, the only time I think about PeTA is when it’s mentioned by another source.
And I do quite a bit of animal activism, just not on the extremist “no pets and no antibiotics” level.
Everyone wipe the spittle off their faces and calm down. If you have the sort of home that can give a companion animal a good, lifelong home, go to your local shelter and adopt one. If not, donate some money to them. Even $2 helps. Thank you. That is all.
Too much Red.
If a member of Peta is standing at a fork in the road, and they can choose to either harass a human or save an animal, they will harass the human.
Some PETA members give animal rights activists a bad name. We’re not ALL insane, mind you. It’s a stereotype that bothers me.
But the willingness to align yourself with an organization so full of crazy instead of one that actually does some good still speaks to your character, even if you aren’t as insane as the “few” that give it a bad name.
Penn and Teller’s BS series has a good segment on PETA. Did you know they think people are evil who take drugs that are discovered through animal testing? (I’m not advocating it, just read on.) Did you know the president of PETA is diabetic and takes insulin, which was developed through animal testing? She says it’s an ‘exception’ in her case because she’s special. Talk about not walking the walk!
The problem with PETA is the people who give them money or services thinking it’s being used to make life better for everyone, including animals.
It’s not, it’s funding a psuedo-terrorist organization that has a fantastic corporate office building on a waterfront with one of the largest commercial walk-in freezers for storing corpses of the animals they’ve killed.
I’ve adopted my cat from a local shelter, and he has 24/7 access to the outdoors, but he chooses to mostly be inside and hang with me. PETA thinks that wrong and would rather see my cat frozen dead in it’s freezer, but I think I’m happy to let the cat decide to be with me or run free! :’)
PETA does not fund the ALF, it only publishes its videos/pictures that are sent to them anonymously. So do news outlets. Big deal.
Also, I worked at veterinary clinics. Every veterinary hospital has a freezer where they store euthanized animals until they can be picked up by the city or by a cremator. It’s creepy, but that’s how it goes. They can’t afford to schedule pick up every time an animal dies.
Also, every veterinarian I’ve known recommends that you keep cats exclusively indoors. It’s not about the “cruelty” of being outside, it’s about their personal safety – getting hit by cars, stolen by animal dealers (it happens), cat fights, diseases, various accidents. Cats are much more domesticated animals than most people assume. They’re really not equipped to deal with the outdoors in all those senses. When I was growing up, we had cats and lost quite a number to these types of things. Don’t tag this position on PETA and its “crazies.”
“Now, you can complain about animal rights organizations …”
OMG, no!!! I complain that Animal Rights Groups are corrupt, not that they exist! Holy crap!
I shake my head at the rest of the comment you posted , you are living in another world.
Time you cooled off in the PETA freezer?
I think you read the wrong comment. My post below that starts “Now you can complain…” isn’t a response to you, just the general sentiment of “OMG! PETA people are retards!”. I was responding to your post about having cats outdoors/freezers as dead animal storage/PETA being pseudo-terrorist in the post here.
And yes, it is quite hot where I live.
Cats are also much less stupid than you seem to assume. In particular, most cats, skittish by nature, avoid cars and strangers.
Most of the hazards of the outdoors either apply to humans as well or have equivalents that do. Do you suggest humans stay indoors 24/7 as well? Or do you arrogantly assume we’re so much smarter that we can reliably avoid these hazards where cats cannot? ‘Cause we aren’t.
Now, you can complain about animal rights organizations not helping animals with all their money, but I think that would only make sense if you yourself were helping animals. Are you vegan? Don’t buy animal tested products when possible? I get it when animal rights activists have issues with PETA and how they go about their business, but when other people do it, it seems like you’re trying to brand these people with being stupid/crazy so that you won’t have to consider the message when it’s there.
I’m sorry, but I’ve been an animal activist for years, and it’s usually people who are extremely defensive about eating meat who bring up these half-truths. Animal activists, on the other hand, complain about PETA for different reasons: using sex to sell their message and siding with animal welfare (vs. animal rights) much of the time (as in, not extreme enough).
wha? you’re posting drafts. Go back to TV
No one “tried” to brand them as crazy and more than they “try” to adhere to gravity. It just happens.
Well, I have to agree with faunablues. She/he put the thing way better than anything I could have written. This is more or less what I wanted to say, I’m just crap in writing.
PETA completely creeps me out. *Shiver*
animals were put here by god for our use.i would eat your pets if i had the chance.
You were put here by God for my use. As such, you are malfunctioning. Shut up and go clean my bathroom.
This graph makes me sick!
I am a member of PeTA…..
People for the Eating of Tasty Animals!!!!
oh, aren’t you clever! this isn’t the billionth time i’ve heard that!
Wow! That is SO original! Where ever do you get your jokes?
Vivisection is f***ed up. Eating members of other animal species—which, I should note, is a behavior that is by no means specific to humans—is not. That is a part of nature, and has been since long before humans came into existence.
Animal testing, as far as I’m concerned, is something that should be reserved for situations where the product being tested, if found effective, will eliminate more suffering than the testing causes. This makes it a sad but worthy sacrifice, rather than senseless cruelty.
As for terrorism, PETA hands out propaganda to children that are far too young to truly comprehend the issues, with the obvious intent of scaring said children instead of provoking reasonable thought. That is scare-mongering. That is terrorism, albeit of the sort that doesn’t (directly) kill people.
Why have several people written PeTA instead of PETA? Does it have another meaning?
I like to think it’s giving the small ‘e’ to ‘ethical’ because ‘ethics’ they are questioning the ‘ethics’ as defined by the group.
there’s only one peta I like “People for the eating of tasty animals”
PETA has compared dog shows to the lynching of African Americans… ’nuff said.
sauce for the PETAtards – http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2009/02/peta-protests-w.html
L3rn 2 sp3|| and maybe then I might not scoff at your idiotic graph. No, not even then.
You’ve never made any typographical errors in your entire life?
PETA is a bunch of brainwashing crazies. Maybe if they used the money that is donated to them to help animals, instead of illegally trying to brainwash our children outside of their schools, they wouldn’t get so much negative publicity.
Misspelling for the loss.
As an ex member of peta I totally agree! it was such a waste of my life. Once I realized it was a load of crap i was outt! That red slice though… should just not exist.
Actually the lowercase “e” is PeTA’s invention. Look at their official logo. http://www.peta.org/ Some of us tend to think it’s pretty darn telling.
As for animal testing, it is an essential part of medical science. PeTA likes to say that humans and animals are too different for animal testing to be valid, but that belief is scientifically unsound. While we are not exactly alike, we are similar enough for there to be significant correlations. Physiology is not that different between most mammals. Biochemistry is basically the same. And anyone who has ever taken a comparative anatomy class knows that anatomy correlates pretty well between certain species, as well. We have numerous medicines and medical devices due to animal testing. We have entire areas of medicine because of animal testing: namely neuroscience. Entire classes of drugs have been developed in animal models (namely Rituxin, which revolutionized the treatment of lymphoma). Then again, there are the medical devices, such as IV drips that were perfected in animals… and even USED FOR the BENEFIT of animals by vets. So yeah, that iv drip that administered the pain medication that Ingrid Newkirk readily accpeted to treat her broken wrist… tested on animals.
But then again, what about those PeTA members who proudly state that they don’t use animal products of any kind? Take for instance PeTA VP Dan Matthews: who states this very thing. When I recently spoke to him at a lecture, he said that he is very proud of the fact that he uses NO animal products of ANY kind. I then asked him if he has ever been vaccinated. He responded yes, looking very nervous. Well, many vaccinations are manufactured in EGGS! So next time you get the flu shot, thank the chickens that died to make sure that you don’t.
Anyone who thinks that animal research is outdated or invalid needs to take Biology 101 and shut the f up.
Should you still decide that animal research is wrong, don’t come to my ER. Because due to your personal beliefs, I can’t offer you much in the way of treatment… except maybe a glass of water. Good luck with that.
Hoorah! I wish everyone who questioned medical research would take the time to visit a lab and/or sit in on a lecture for a bio-lab course. I’m entering the amazing field of cancer research and the lab animals are a vital part of studying the molecular pathways that are going to lead to treatments with fewer side effects and better survival rates, if not a cure!
Let’s trust the person who doesn’t know how to spell…. lol
Yes, let’s believe a member of the illiterati!
I hear they’re a secret society who develop graphs about counter-culture groups – in order to save humanity (and animals, evidently).
Isn’t there a book and movie about them? I hear the book has… *shock*… PHOTOSHOPPED pictures! LOL
post fail! try the “reply” link wench.
PETA — People Eating Tasty Animals
Funny because its ironic. Definitely not because its accurate. Which levels out to just alright.
funny because hmm i wonder what their doing to save animals!?
There are missing wedges to the graph including:
1. “Giving porn to children via the ‘I’d rather go naked than wear fur’ campaign.”
2. “Launching ‘got beer?’ campaign at college students,”
3. “Asking cities to change their names,”
4. “Asking Ben & Jerry’s to use breast milk in their ice cream instead of cow milk,”
5. “Telling us our daddy and mommy are partners in animal-killing crime,”
and 6. “Preventing any real progress towards saving animals.”
*shakes fist at PETA* Curse you, PETA! I want to enjoy my Ben & Jerry’s ice cream without having to worry whether or not it’ll give me AIDS!
This is so true, you never see PETA helping any animals or remotely trying any animal safety programs. They just protest about meat in hotdogs and scream at anything that looks pretty close to animal fur.
PETA made me a vegan… According to Peta, that saves 228 animals per year (which is obviously false- that’s 2/3 of an animal per day). But I’m sure I, and many other Peta-inspired veg*ns, have saved a considerable number of animals.
I don’t waste my time volunteering for PETA, though. I volunteer for local shelters where I can see that I am improving animals’ lives.
Right… I strongly dont believe a word your saying. And lets just say that if I saved 228 animals per year that wouldnt mean 2/3 of an animal per day that would just mean I saved slightly less animals than the number of days in a year.
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It should be titled “The Average day of a PftEToA person”. PETA is “People Eating Tasty Animals”.
Oh your a fuccking loser go eat grass you freaking loser
Well I’m sorry to disapoint you kids who think we at PETA don’t do anything because who every made this graph must either be stupid or must hate PETA. We help about 50 animals around the world from their abusers any we don’t yell at people wearing fur coats. We ask them to take their coat off. So you kids can think whatever you want to think but your wrong!
Oh and you stupid kids who think PETA stands for People Eating Tasty Animals. It stands for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
It’s a _joke_. They know what it’s “supposed” to stand for, they just don’t feel like respecting the organization to the degree of using its name correctly. o_0;
I hate PETA!
Honestly if i had a little more money i would shut you them down.
After shutting them down i would drive to Wendy’s and enjoy a baconator, or go home and cook veil. I would also make sure all of the people in the organization are jailed and mistreated.
PETA actually kills most of their animals.
If I was older, I would get people to sign a petition and send it to the president.
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u guys are F***ing idiots! u have no idia what people do to save animals!!!!! u have no idea how hard we work to save them, and what do u do???? NOTHING! atleast we try to save animals, u kill them! and P.S u kant shut us down because more people would keep trying to help inocent animals!
be4 u post stuff like this actually look up the FACTS
I did you should check out the link I posted in my previous post…get to know who you work for and support. But most of all, LEAVE THE REST OF US THE **** ALONE!
For everyone out there wondering about PETA,and their so-called “wonderful work” check out this website, I was able to find this in less than 10 minutes, after I had a run in with these FREAKS! I am giving you the link, please take a second to look, I don’t have anything to do with the site, I googled the subject. These freaks wanted my dog, I say **** no! I love my dogs, my 12 year old mixed breed (which we adopted) and my “rescue dog”
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/downloads/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf