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I hereby declare that you have failed.
This graph starts about 10 years too early. The first hip-hop album was released in the early 1980′s, not in the 70′s. I know – I bought it the day it was released. It sucked.
FAIL. Rapper”s Delight, by The Sugarhill Gang was released in 1979! Still the 70′s.
Even if the first hip hop album was released in the early 80′s, presumably there was interest in the late 70′s.
Oops. My computer remembered the addendum to my name from my previous post, while I forgot about it. How embarrassment.
Right. I figured the mid 70′s were as good a place as any to start, since its hard to say when the culture became recognisable “Hip-Hop”.
I hereby declare that I am second !
I hereby declare that you have FAILED!!!!!!!
Maybe you’re just old and hate new music
If you could call new hip-hop music, that might be a valid argument.
+1
WIN
Oh kids… how you think you know everything at 12..
If the green bar ran across the bottom of the chart I would enjoy this graph.
sigh…
I hope your happy
you just made me lose faith in humanity
Good point. One person who doesn’t like hip hop means that humanity is doomed. Why didn’t I think of that?
I agree – High Quality Hip-Hop is an oxymoron.
Hear hear!
There’s good hip-hop out there, it just isn’t mainstream hip-hop.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Good hip-hop – REAL hip-hop – can’t be found on the radio or in the mainstream. It’s all just turned into either modern R&B or just a bass line with mindless garbage on top of it.
I can’t respect mainstream rap and hip-hop because it has become a shell of its former self. All the lyrics these days are something like; “SHOHTAY, I TAKE U 2 DA CLUH, WE GET TIPSSAYY, WE HAVE SEX IN MY DUBBED OUT WHIP, WASH RINSE REPEAT.”
Real rappers and hip-hop artists put value behind their rhymes.
yes – because no one wants to listen to it (= no mainstream) it’s good… ??!
Ummm… you said Mos Def twice.
Just sayin’.
I find that you can almost divide it perfectly between what is TRUE hip-hop nowadays and what is just rap, which seems to largely be going for the same things as mainstream pop music: a pleasing rhythm and total lack of substance.
well I mean, that’s hard to determine though don’t you think? I mean, to determine the quantity of true hip hop and the mainstream scene requires a bit more research and indie dedication than whats being thrown at you on the radio. But also, personally…the best rhythm artists I think…Wu-Tang…the levels/beats that they used are incredible and still up to now very unique, but on the mainstream ear…hard to appreciate it. Also, one of the nastiest lyricist…Dr. Octagon, but again, his flow was kinda hard to follow…
but yes, Soulja Boy should is a disgrace to any music scene…although I think we’re being a little too harsh having him as the display of ALL mainstream hip hop. Like, Lil ‘Jon…perhaps not the most indepth character out there…but his beats and his aggressive demeanor/flow supplied an incredible attitude boost and kinda drove a new hip hop dance style onto the mainstream scene (Crumpin). So…I guess the point is…take it as it is and perhaps what’s not understood now will be understood later.
yeah, i agree w/ soulisdaessence. “this is why [you're] hot.”
Hear hear.
I love you
i love you too
if i feel it i feel it,
if i don’t i don’t,
if it aint really real,
then i probably won’t…
thanks for helping school these web heads
…and mos def should be listed at least 3 times
you know!
You got good taste. That Dead Prez song you quoted is a classic and relatively recent too.
Unfortunately its one of the exceptions which prove the rule.
The rest of their stuff simply doesn’t reach this standard. Back in 1993 there were whole albums of unmissable genius coming out every week. Nowadays we are lucky to get a decent highlight or two each year.
Not that there aren’t still good acts out there, but they are few and far between.
I actually forgot that during the 90′s, there was a time when 16 year olds actually did listen to some very good hip-hop. Not that they weren’t listening to crap as well, but I suppose if forced to pick a “golden age of teenagers listening to hip-hop” (a weird concept I had never thought of before) I would be the 1990′s
If we were in 1989 instead of 2009, we could make the same graph about rock music and note that the kids were listening to good stuff in the 60s/70s. For extremely similar reasons…
Your axis labels are horribly incorrect… the graph is actually
Popularity and Quality vs Year
Popularity vs quality would be a singe point. (since you have exactly i quality value for each popularity value)
His axis values are just fine, though they are subjective. The Y axis isn’t labeled popularity nor quality, the lines are. Its described as pop v qual because of their inverse relationships.
Critique fail
You sir, are a saint and a scholar.
This might be the stupidest graph on Graph Jam yet. Doesn’t make a lot of sense plus it’s not funny or amusing
…and yet you spent the time to comment on it. So, who’s stupid?
i am.
It makes perfect sense, thus it’s funny.
I’m sorry if this hits too close to home for you, resume listening to Flo Rida or some studio gangsta rapper.
IMO, hip hop and rap have always sucked :/
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you fail
buy a mos def album
and then beat your head in with it cause your a dumbass
Gotta say, as a 13 year old, I’m in the minority. And yes it does make sense. Modern “music” sucks.
Me too! I’m 13 and can’t stand hip-hop, rap or any of that kind of “music” that is surprisingly popular. My brother listens to it, and it makes me want to jam pencils in my ears. Give me rock or give me some pencils!
Agreed.
Pretty much everything in the charts < Music.
So much of modern music is played on a keyboard or synth I can’t get into it, it’s just not real…
i’m 14 and i love this stuff. I don’t see how you guys can be so negative. I love older music, but new hip-hop isn’t ALL bad, just a lot of it…
your 13 you dont know what happened in the good old days with nwa, digable planets, eazy e, tribe called quest, raging fam, mecca and cl smooth
so dont criticize an entire genre because of the commercialized garbage this generation is feeding you
raging fam… are you from eugene?
Just because the music is new does not mean that it has a lower quality: in the same way that it does not mean that it sucks just because you don’t like it.
Although, there are some pretty horrible rappers nowadays as described in the attached videos. Buuuuuutt, some good ones are still there.
“attached videos”
lol.
fail.
These comments legit piss me off.
Just because I’m 16 doesn’t mean I listen to bad music.
And just because music is modern doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Nice try dear.
They legit piss you off?
‘Nuff said..
Your agrument would be valid if (as ShamWow mentioned) you hadn’t said “legit piss me off” (is that English?) and if it weren’t for the fact that nowadays, all you need to become famous is to use one of those annoying synthesizers.
He didn’t say Popularity among LyssaLovett vs Quality.
Just because it doesn’t apply to YOU, doesn’t mean it’s not true.
Hip-Hop and Dance music have hit the mainstream scene because it is what 16 year old kids listen to.
Maybe think outside the box, and realise that the world doesn’t revolve around you.
While there is some good dance music, and some inspiring hip-hop lyrics, I would have to say old school rock is the best.
I can’t respect a genre that finds it necessary to cover and remix the Meatspin song.
Hip-hop didn’t degrade, it just split, and now only the mainstream branch is visible to most people. The experimental/abstract scene’s quality/popularity values are pretty close to the early section of the graph.
Also, since hip-hop was always youth’s music and a genre’s mainstream appeal is calculated by its popularity outside it’s core audience, the red graph should be labeled “Popularity Among White People”.
exactly
all the real mcs are underground
I think this goes for all music
the only people who get record deals are the ones with the friends in the labels not necessarily talent
this graph is way to confusing.
It actually is a little too much for a graph.
You people are too simple-minded to understand a graph this obvious.
Granted, songs these days are not nearly as creative as they were in the 80′s. Welcome to the 21st century, my friend.
PS – what’s up with the 00′s? Couldn’t the author just have stated “Now”?
respiration pwns theives in the night
doesnt mos def still lay down tracks anyway?
Is it just me, or does this look like some stick-person dancing?
just you.
fail.
i would agree with this if it were ALL music, not just hip hop, since this is more or less the exact same for ALL music.
agreed
See where it goes down? Right after the Beastie Boys released “Intergalactic.” Nothing could hold up afterwards.
I actually kind of agree, but of course there has always been bad hip-hop and there is still good hip-hop (albeit not as much.) For a good modern MC, I suggest giving k-os a listen. Less f-bombs, more meaning.
Also, there wasn’t really a “first hip-hop album.” You can trace the evolution of the genre back to 1969 or so, and the roots go back even further (depending on what you believe.)
LOL! This Graph is fail and so is Boosra who made this graph. Boosra is just a Troll who hates Hip-Hop. Boosra must be watching too much MTV and BET….. fail
Pfft. I like good Hip-Hop. Which is why I made this graph lamenting its demise.
Just as a demonstration of the graphs accuracy:
Stone cold classic Hip-Hop albums released in 1994:
Illmatic – Nas
Resurrection – Common
Tical – Method Man
Hard to Earn – Gangstarr
Ill Communication – Beastie Boys
The Sun Rises in the East – Jeru
Between a Rock and a Hard Place – Artifacts
Like it Should Be – Extra Prolific
Dare iz a Darkside – Redman
Do You Want More? – The Roots
6 Feet Deep – Grave Diggaz
Southernplayalistic..musik – Outkast
And probably a bunch of others I forgot.
Stone cold classic Hip- Hop albums released in 2004:
Ummmmmmmmmmm……………………..
“Stone cold classic Hip- Hop albums released in 2004″
The College Dropout- Kanye West
pretty close to agreeing with that.
also, while he doesn’t really live by his motto’s, T.I’s “Live Your Life” has some really deep, meaningful lyrics.
Regardless of how you feel about hip hop, this graph is a fail! It’s mistitled. It should be “Hip Hop Popularity Among 16-year-olds and Quality versus decade”.
suck my throbbing erection.
the thing is, hip-hop never had any quality anyway….
Im 16 and im interested in 90′s hip hop/rap and hate the new stuff so you can stop being retarded and actually research rather than watching TRL and MTV you stupid dunce
listen to Fort Minor. its the best rap you will ever hear. although, not many people i know know about it
fort minor is part of linkin park- one of the most mainstream bands out there
The best verse I ever heard was in the cunninlynguists song love aint tonedeff’s verse at the start is the best i ever heard
THIS GRAPH IS SO TRUE!
S N P, ’93!
Honestly, I feel that ALL of our music has devolved into a big bowl of stinkin’ horrible. We have three flavors across the board, which are Autotuned-uncreative absence of talent, Sound-like-every-band scream guys, and Disney bubblegum popshits. Those three. That’s it. Creativity takes a backseat among the Pop artists nowadays. Real artists are DAMN hard to find nowadays…
I think all of you are morons need to speculate when hip hop or rap was originated. Do your homework, it was in the late 70′s. I agree that some forms of music may be offensive, but as an adult all I can say is “do not listen to it”. Peace out biggots