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FIRST !
im sorry i dont speak first
its pretty easy to speak first i’ll show you *clears throat* “u r teh n00b 101z” see
What happened to the strict regulations set out by BBond?
Law 1 Line 1 Paragraph 1 : Ignore all trolls to the extent where they get bored or die out.
i am so sorry it shall never happen again, now i know *GI Joe Knocks down the door* “And knowing is half the battle”
G. I. JOOOOOOEEEEE!
What if we go on “Art of Trolling”?
Welcome to the United States, friend! The land of the free, as long as you have the money to pay for it!
this is why canada rocks.
I disagree. Canada rocks because of Bryan Adams, mullets, and crappy-ass beer.
And Celine Dion (see weird al’s canadian idiot)
“And you know what else is too funny? Their stupid Monopoly money. Can’t take ‘em seriously at all!” – Canadian Idiot by “Weird Al” Yankovic
You just think it’s crappy because it actually has alcohol in it….
So true, i come from england and i had to drink twice the amount to have any effect while in america
Take shots, no beer.
come to england or any other nice country who look after there citisens and others.
the sad fact is cuba does it better than you guys
that should be even cuba does better than you guys
silly me
Cuba has free health care because it doesn’t have a population of 300 million people.
yes but if all of them pay taxes and all of you pay taxes then it ensures you have poportinal funds for each country.
“Citisens” may be correct owing to the British use of “s” where Americans use “z”. the use of “there”, however, is inexcusable.
No, unlike most words where you have decided to dispense with the letter “s” citizens is still spelt like that, but “there” is terrible. Oh and the other thing is, no we don’t give up education you fool. Some absolute idiots just choose not to take advantage of it, some students even get paid to go to college (which for those Americans who don’t know, that is not university).
spelt?
yes, joeshmoe, that’s how they say “spelled” in England.
Win
I would love to. But Europe’s immigration laws won’t let me.
*hugs* poor ninja
You have to give up education? never herd that one.
Everyone gets free education through 16 years old (unless they want to pay for it), and the majority get it to 18 (unless, again, they go to a private school).
Admittedly Blair (and Thatcher and Major) screwed up the Universities a little, but I would say free education until 18 is not bad.
No they don’t. I have a job and therefore have the best health care in the world.
WIN
As long as you can convince your insurance company what you’ve got is terminal.
So all the other people can go screw themselves? What a wonderful country that must be….
yup
Apparently in America you believe this kind of nonsense.
Idiot. Healthcare is not what makes a country. Want to compare the average salary and standard of living of the average cuban to the average american? Cuba is a third world craphole. And if all your european countries are so much better why is the unemployment so much hire over there? Socialist moron
you spelled “higher” wrong.
LAST!!
not anymore.
This makes me want to cry.
Hell to the yeah.
Ah… graphjam being once again used as stress and anger management tool…
is there any other use
ummmm…humor?
Really… where?
welcome to america, the land of the super-rich ruling the ultra-poor and where everyone thinks they’re free.
The US has no people who, by any stretch of the imagination, could be considered ultra-poor. None. Before you question this, at least go see Slumdog Millionaire.
Hopefully the reforms Obama is outlining will go someway to helping you guys get a healthcare system a bit more like our lovely British NHS. All the best with that!
currently working on a geograpgy project on healthcare systems, despite how much we complain about it the NHS is one of the best systems in the world
If you mean that getting substandard care which is completely funded by those who succeed in life, I agree.
You could always move to America and pay for what you want/can afford, Ed.
great response, that shut him up, i annoys me that people complain about the Nhs but as soon as you say that you can get worse teatment but pay they shut.
great response, that shut him up, i annoys me that people complain about the Nhs but as soon as you say that you can get worse teatment but pay they shut up.
This is sad, but true
Ah, nothing like paying more for a 10 day medicine than all your utilities for the month combined.
Odd, all my medications are covered by my insurance – heck, they’re even generics. $10/month, less if I opt to have the stuff mailed to me.
Generics are most likely the ones to be covered, try getting the name brand sometime, and see IF they’re covered at all, and Check how much the copay will jump.
If doesn’t seem like much now, wait til you get on Medicare Part D.
*hugs her socialized healthcare* :p
http://radicallibertarians.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-does-usa-want-universal-healthcare.html
Everyone in Europe and Canada should thank the United States for subsidizing their healthcare and pharmaceuticals. If there were no free market for medicine in the United States, there would be no profit motive for medical device and pharmaceutical companies to raise funding to develop therapies and medicines and get them through clinical trials. Thumb your nose at the American health care system, but pray to God at night that it remains the same, because if it is socialized there will be no more medical advances.
Unless of course you are willing to have your income taxed even more to allow the government to do the development and testing.
Your explanation is flawed. In a free market, the supply is set by the demand of the customers. In the case of medicine, the drug demand is high, but medicine is unique in a way that most people who need the medicine can’t afford it in the US and there’s a lot of potential customers who aren’t buying their products. The input costs is very high so drug companies can NOT lower the prices, unlike cheaper products such as soda or chips where low customer demand can lower prices. In a socialized medicine state, all supply can be sold because the government has no limit on what to pay, so profit in this case is HIGHER.
This is an outrageous analogy, but imagine if you need a Ferrari (not just want) to live. Places where the government buys a car to everyone who wants a Ferrari are where Ferrari is going to make the most profit. In a capitalist economy, you’ll have a lot of people dying because they can’t afford a Ferrari, and Ferrari isn’t going to supply a country their cars if they don’t have potential in selling, right?
Wouldn’t the solution then be to remove all price controls, and let the drug companies sell their wares as they wanted? If they needed to charge half a billion to cover costs, well, as soon as some billionaire gets the disease the drug treats, there you go. Same way all high-end products work.
And because it is $500 million, almost no-one can afford it and they die.
Medicines should not be considered a high end product, they should be considered a necessity.
Ah, so the the laws of economics don’t apply to the medical industry. . . because? We really really want them to not? God in heaven will shake his beard and lower prices? Things work so much better if they don’t?
for a start the government has to buy the medicine so the drugs companies get to make money off of them and secondly they are allowed one year to market new drugs before they go on the NHS and thirdly there’s such a thing as private healthcare, so all in all quite a bit of profit
OHHH CANADAAA
i love it.
My drugs are covered…if you don’t mind shelling out for the deductible – otherwise known as paying for nothing.
Having experienced “chronic pain management,” I can definitely attest that you gotta love the fact that street drugs (initially devised by pharmaceutical companies, no less) are far cheaper *and* more readily available than the medications I was prescribed.
US Heathcare fail.
Totally stolen from Brotherhood 2.0
Free Healthcare = Socialized Healthcare.
Free Healthcare = Longer waits for procedures because everyone gets them.
Free Healthcare = Rationed Procedures because the money has to come from somewhere, and it comes from your pockets in the form of taxes. E.G. Only a certain amount of MRI’s every month can be done.
Free Healthcare = Doctors who all make the same salary and flee to the United States so they can actually make money. I know several British folks who hate the healthcare system in their own country because there is no such thing as private care. Private rooms? You wish.
The Healthcare system of Britain is in shambles because you can’t get the really great doctors, the ones who are the best at what they do, to stay, and because everything is socialized. When the Doctors all make the same salary, they have no incentive to be the best, to be exceptional. Good care comes from a drive to be exceptional, and competition makes for people who are the best at what they do. I don’t know about you, but I want someone who loves their job to take care of me when I’m sick.
Move to Britain or Canada and see how much you like it when you are put on a waiting list because a quota has been met and the money has run out.
for me, personally, the moral incentive of “everyone gets them” is basically enough to justify the “longer waits” part. i mean, as a us citizen, i have not actually experienced socialized health care firsthand.
…but i would like to.
Free Healthcare != dying cause you’re poor.
Free Healthcare != choosing between food and curing your sick kid.
In my whole life (which is now 38 years), I have had two major operations (open heart surgery), a number of minor operations and several hospital check up visits, due to having a serious heart condition.
Not once have I had to pay for any of it, because of Free Healthcare in the UK. And not once have I ever thought I have received substandard care.
The NHS is, quite possibly, the single best thing about this country (maybe tied with the sub-judice laws, another thing America is sadly lacking) and while I admit it might not be perfect, it is far, far, far, far, far, far, far better than the alternative.
All this proves is that you know absolutely nothing about the British NHS.
There is such a thing as private care – if you want it, you can pay for it. I think you don’t know any British people at all if you think there isn’t private care in the UK. The NHS itself even makes use of spare bed space in private hospitals, so NHS patients do sometimes get private rooms.
Not all doctors are paid the same. There is a complex system of payments resulting in, yes, the best doctors being paid the most.
There are no “quotas” – the system doesn’t work that way and never has.
You clearly know absolutely nothing about the way the NHS works. In fact, less than nothing if you are spouting this misinformed, disingenuous drek.
i agree with poodle_face and Katherine, Segaphile, you sir are an idiot, if there was a ‘quota’ then i am sadly going to die when my hereditary heart disease catches me at 40 and explodes the artery in my left leg, just because “they used all of their stitches and surgeons”
It’s not right that we have 40 million illegals, which sap our medical system (medicaid), and share our fuels, making if far more expensive for us, that were born here or arrived legally to this country.
P.S. Health care is not “free” in the U.K. A portion of their paycheck is deducted for health care. All of my friends in the U.K. not only have this deducted from their paychecks, they also have private healthcare as the State healthcare system is so bad-they can’t get in to see drs. immediately, unless they have private insurance. Also, the U.K. is the size of Calif., no compairson in size and population to the U.S.
A sad American
“A portion of their paycheck is deducted for health care”
Once again, I call bullsh*t. I suppose you could just about call what we pay for the NHS “deducted from our paycheck” if you call it, y’know, TAXES. It’s never been called “free”, it’s called “free at the point of need”. I do believe though that we pay a lot less per person in proportion to the outcome than the US.
And yes, you can get to see your GP immediately, but if you have to be referred onwards, yes then you might have to make what is called “an appointment”. I believe this is not entirely unique in the known world of health care. You can just walk in the door of any specialist you like in the US and be seen right there and then can you?
Illegal immigrants do not raise gas prices. Crooks on Wall Street raise gas prices. Get your facts straight before you spout off, wrong-winger.
Deja vu.
At the end of the day the question is:
Is health care a privilege or a right?
If you believe that the responsibility of a government should be limited to promoting the rights and freedoms of its citizenry, then no, health care is not something that we should all be entitled to.
If, however, you prefer having the government make most of the important decisions of adulthood for you, then healthcare starts to look more like a right.
The fundamental problem with looking at healthcare in that light is that it not everyone needs it all the time. Moreover it makes it all the more likely people will take advantage of the system, which is indeed the case in Canada and probably the UK as well. As a responsible Canadian citizen, I only use my publicly funded healthcare (not free, I’m taxed to death for it) when I absoutely need to, but who can gaurentee every Canadian has the same attitue? The average stay in a Canadian hospital cost the taxpayers 7000 dollars. Now if I pay my taxes every year, but don’t need to claim some of those services regularly, who is getting the short end of the stick?
Historically, money was seen as a static quantity- it was inhereted, looted, begged for, obtained through favours etc. Thus, you might argue the divide between rich and poor was a product of an unfair advantage and that people who are wealthy should “share” what they have with people who are poor. Indeed, willingly giving something to someone else whether they have earned or not is noble to say the least. As a generous person you have the ablility to discren who really needs help and who is just looking for free handouts. However, in America (and the West in general to an extent), money is not a static quantity. In America, there is as much money as one is willing to work for. To use the pie analogy, America is a pie factory- why do you need a piece of someone else’s pie when you’re free to bake your own?
Healthcare is the foundational issue upon which Socialism rests. When a government becomes responsible for keeping its citizens healthy at all costs, it’s not difficult to see how individual liberties evaporate and we start look more like subjects than citizens. If I’m paying to keep you alive, I bloody well better have a say in what you do with your time. I don’t want you smoking if it means i’m going to have to pay for your lung cancer treatments later.
At the very core of the issue is this: Socialism needs some degree of Capitalism to work, the opposite however, is not true. At the very least, Socialism needs the inheritance of a couple generations of Capitialism to keep the ship a float. Could we provide any health care at all if it hadn’t been for Capitalsm and the entrepreneurial spirit that goes along with it? Consider this, when there is a tsunami in Indonesia, where have the global telecommunications that allow us to communicate with the other side of the world, the airplanes that deliver foreign aid, and indeed the medicines and doctors and the knowledge they possess come from?
I hope I don’t need to answer that for you, but they certainly haven’t come from Cuba.
i got bored reading your post can someone give me the key points of this
As far as I can tell, you can sum the post up in two words – “Socialism Sucks”
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 3:”Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. ”
therefore any life saving medical treatment should always be available
I think you are the only one who has a large enough lack of a life to go on for that long…
Agreed
Exactly. So the government wants EVERYBODY to be ripped off by these greedy “God Players”? If it’s not on the ins. co.’s formulary , they also get the privilege of getting to pay three times the amount of the on-formulary co-pay? Yay, equality. I have to take two kinds of insulin each day. Neither one of them is on the formulary. Add the costs of all the other meds my family of four takes and we easily pay more than $300 a month, just in co-pays. And I’m supposedly insured by one of the best companies in the country. Rubbish.
Woop, Hooray for the NHS!
the drugs in the uk will never cost more than about £6.50 which is about $10. no matter what quantity e.g pack of 20, pack of 200. infact you only pay if you have a job, not in education, younger than 65, and earn past certain amount. i am 17 and because i am still at school i get mine free. Aslo in america they make you take more drugs than you actually need so they get more money. any american who thinks universal health care is bad i highly suggest you watch micheal moore’s “sicko”. no the british NHS isn’t perfect, but it is still one of the best in the world.
W.H.O’s rank of best healcare
1.France
2.Italy
18.United kingdom
37.Cuba
38.United States
39.Slovenia. SLOVENIA FOR GODS SAKE!