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So true.
Cuz it blew.
ok… im not ttly obsessed, but if you don’t like twilight, or anything related to it, SHUT UP PLEASE! are you ppl making millions of bucks from these books? no! some of u haven’t even read it! Edward is NOT gay! none of them are! stephenie created her own perspective of vampires, so Anne Rice has nothing on this subject. and if you stopped thinking this series was stupid, while you payed attention to what you were reading, it wouldn’t be that bad! my crush and his friends all read it… Quote”It was kinda cool”
SO THERE! this convo is now closed for you twilight haters!
oh… and im sorry, but no one is coming around here… because you ppl are the only ones who don’t like twilight.
http://www.twilightsucks.com/
TROLOLOLOLOLOL
ok, twilight is the freakin BEST book in the whole damn world! I f u hate it, keep that fact ot your freakin self!! majority of the people that read it LOVE the book!!! and if u havent even read it dont judge the whole story!! there is nothing u can say to prove that it sux, or even give a reason that is permissable to hate it for!! Read it, then comment. And don’t lie to try to be cool, cuz trust me, its not!
ummmmm…. I agree that twilight was a good book (hell, I enjoyed reading it myself), but to call it the “freakin BEST book in the whole damn world” is a complete and total understatement… just wait until you get into reading real literature, hun
Trolled. All of you.
An understatement?
I think you mean an overstatement, because that’s definitely not an understatement.
Hahahah I’m sorry but I find this comment to be really funny. Apparently real literature has got nothin’ on Twilight.
Every commentor below this point is stupid.
every commentor above this point is stupid
I would LMAO if this entire forum is just 2 different people changing names and responding to each other with insults XD
i think you mean overstatement ^^;;
please don’t tell them that calling it the best book in the world is an understatement… PLEASE
i’ve slapped people who say they don’t like twilight. it’s the best series ever! Edward sounds soooo romantic and sweet. Everything i want in a guy. I am a little obsessed with the whole series espescially breaking dawn! *squeal. Like i was saying before, every one that hates twilight hasn’t read the books or are guys that got dumped after their girlfriends read the books!!!!!
I do hope that you are immitating a fangirl, because if not i lose faith in mankind. It seems to me that fans like you are so obsessed that human decency flies out the window. The problem is that you become obsessed with an unrealistic standard presented by a fictional character who defies the laws of what real vampires are. If you find any flaw with what i said and can persent an argument against it logically and without slapping me in the face then i respect you, still not the book, but at least you as an individual. If you decide to resort to insults and “ZOMG I KAN’T BELEEVEEE YOU DOES NOT LIEK TWILIGHT SMEYER = WIN AND EDWARD IZ MY FUTURE HUZBAND” type of defense then you have proven my point for me.
Amen to that, steve…
well, it is all about that graph is?
I hate twilight afetr i`ve read fancs comments
Exactly.
I enjoyed the book. Or, rather, I enjoyed the first few hundred pages of it, if we must go into detail. I might call myself a borderline fan in some situations.
That does NOT mean, however, that fans have a right to openly insult people over a book. It’s a freakin BOOK. we don’t need wars over it. Just let people have their own opinions.
Whether Twilight sucks or not, just leave us be. Whether we are fangirls, antis, or neutrals.
Oh, yeah. I’m a girl, and Alice is waaay hotter than Edward. ;D
Yeah! Wage war for real reasons; Oil and power!
Btw. The envisioning of vampires as being of good and sparkleyness completley defeats the very basis for their belief, they were created to explain unknown murders and suspicious circumstance, not will-o-wisps.
oh yeah the glittery thing is kinda gay.
real vampires? lol
since when were vampires real?
Vampires are fictional. So nobody is right or wrong by saying they can sparkle or whatever. It’s just their view.
I personally loved the book and cried a lot of times over it.
But thankfully I’m not one of those people who worship it and squeal every time I see something related to it. I really wish they would stop;;
It’s making people believe that it’s lame which it truly isn’t!
The only thing that I don’t like about it is that, after reading it, your standards for guys will go way up. Impossibly high.
So yeah, be careful.
Read it
Well, Steve i agree with you 100% for all those ppl that are overly obsessed with this whole series needs to see the light and understand the fact of it is just a movie/book. The problem with ppl is their minds get wrapped into this crap. By all means i am not saying that the books are not good, but i have never read them and only seen ythe movie. My fiance says that the books are great but the movie destroys the whole purpose of the books. With that screw twilight. Thank you and good night.
real vampire? what are real vampires like? i have read the book and it was amazing however i still prefer books like interview with a vampire
I believe by real vampire, he meant classic vampires. The vampire that most people know. The one who burns in the sun, sleeps, and sleeps in a coffin, sucks HUMAN blood, etc.
LOL!!! That was SO FUNNY!! I almost died. Even though I am obsessed. Whoa, that was kind of hypocritical. Oh well. You can kill me if you want to.
You sir, win.
I agree.
“a fictional character who defies the laws of what real vampires are.”
Real vampires?
I believe he meant the classic vampires which he probably interpreted as blood sucking, and burning in the sun, that kind of thing, vampire
Well said. The very nature that define human beings are their faults. If the Twihard fans want a perfect boyfriend they can have a robot instead
i agree. ps. vamps cannot have kids. and in my pov edward has a haeartbeat???!!! HES SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD!!! VAMPIRES ARE EAD1!!
You’re SLAPPED people for saying they dislike the books?
Trot on over to that there giant chunk of the graph, hon. It’ll be full of people just like you.
hehe!
Whoa, a lot of smilie faces.
What? How is he abusing her? Edward IS sexy. I’M not stupid. I am SMARTER than some of my teachers. YOU are stupid for swearing. It shows a lack of vocabulary. By the way, I actually AM sort of crazy. OCD and all that. Also, I am addicted to reading to the point that I-I can’t talk about this anymore. Never mind!
Sexy?! Pahaha! You just made me pee myself laughing. His hair looks like he crawled out of a ditch, his face is always screwed up, his left nipple looks like a piece of chewed gum and MUCH MORE!
Let me tell you how smart you sound, defending that you’re ‘not stupid’ when I don’t believe anyone called you that, now did they? You’re rather defensive, and admitting that you’re ‘crazy’ isn’t exactly a wonderful thing to do over the internet, nor does it make you look any smarter. You need a reality check is what you need.
Boys aren’t always perfect, half of them don’t care about your well-being and they’re not ‘perfect’ vampires that sparkle like little gay boys. Sorry kid. Please, go find someone like Edward, get beaten, pregnant as a teenager, have your friend be a pedophile with your daughter and tell me how wonderful your life is.
u spelled “especially” wrong. ur right, though. sort-of. you’ve SLAPPED people? WOW
get a grip of yourself for gods sake.. i love twilight but people like you ruin it.
do yourself a favour and grow up
thank god someone has the tiniest bit of sense.
Uh I hate Twilight, I am a twenty year old girl, have read all four books and still hate them. Please grow up. Or at least don’t breed
get ova urself. just grow up
So, I just read all 4 books in 5 days. I am not a “squelly” little teenager, and usually don’t like this kind of book. I LOVED them all!!! But, if I hated them, I would’ve stopped reading right? So if you hated them, why bother going on, especially with the size of them. So, either u really liked them, or u r a masochist.
Here’s my advice – if you don’t like it, don’t read it and why waste ur time discussing it?
Because it’s something that people do. We discuss opinions, facts, etc, on movies, life, & BOOKS (also etc). If you don’t read a book all the way through and start putting up insults to it, it seems kind of…I don’t know, stupid? Reading a book all the way through and THEN discussing about it makes sense. We go on about ‘hating Twilight’ because it’s natural to have one side of a discussion and then another that goes against it. When one replies to the other, we then start a discussion. End of story. And. BTW. Spell correctly & use grammar. We’re not four year olds here.
I agree with u all the way, i love jasper and alice, but my skool i have to do this presuasive speech about me telling people to hate vampires
You’re an idiot — Fact.
i dont like it and i have read it. and im a girl…
do a survey or something… u r so wrong
Edward is everything you want in a guy? I’m sorry but I live with my boyfriend and if I woke up and caught him creeper staring at me while I was asleep, we’d have some issues. He’s not romantic, he’s controlling and manipulative, trust me I’d know I lived through that once with a REAL boy, only differences were he didn’t sparkle and I didn’t want him to bite me and keep me forever. And also, “every one that hates twilight hasn’t read the books or are guys that got dumped after their girlfriends read the books!!!!!” is KINDA………….. false. I read all four books AND have seen both movies, yet I don’t like Twilight.
dany.. are you a boy?
1.Edward sounds like a pussy
2.You want a guy to make you fall in love with him, and then dump your ass, then put you in life-threating situations, then get you pregnant, then almost kill you? Wow.
3.Ohhhh HIA! I’ve read the book AND I’m a girl that doesn’t have a girlfriend, nor have I been dumped by one.
So suck on that.
You slap people over a book?! I am not going to try to change your opinion, but heres the facts. Edward is 107, Bella is 17. Its weird that a person who has been around for a century likes a teenager. Also, Edward spies on her while she sleeps BEFORE they ever have a conversation. A third example is that he physically threatens her! ” As if you could outrun me… As if you could fight me off” And he also says “You are an idiot” He takes her out in the woods, knowing she does not know her way back, (physical isolation), and isolates her from her friends. If he weren’t “cute”, everyone would see him as a dangerous predator (which he is)
hmmm, well, then i am one of the few people that read the whole series and still HATES IT
u r CRAZY. Well then, so am I.
Someone is crazy for disliking a book?
Haha, tottaly agree! Ready the books. All four of them. Worst exerience ofmy life. I kept on reading because I thought they might get better. I was horribly mistaken….
twilight_luver_13 sorry too dissapoint you, but twilight is not,infact, the best book in the world, it is a 35 year old sexual fantasy. I have read the book and i have countless reasons.
1. Edward and Bellas love is unhealthy, edward is a wife abuser and a stalker
2. Bella is a mary sue and weak in general
3. Stephenie Meyer sets up rules in her book…then breaks everyone of them
there is many more reasons but really I can’t be bothered wasting my time.
she scored 55:
http://www.springhole.net/quizzes/marysue.htm
One word: What!? What is all this CRAP about Edward abusing her? And now, smart one, take a look at my name. If Bella was a Mary Sue, would I love the series? SHE IS NOT WEAK! **shrieks with rage** Have you read the WHOLE series? w/o skim reading? Question: what rules? I would LOVE if you could clarify. u WOULD b wasting ur time. **grumbles/mutters as storms away** (i couldn’t decide whether 2 use grumbles or mutters, so.)
You’re pathetic. GTFO the internet, TROLL.
Get ahold of yourself. Take a deep breath. Read the book and pretend like you’ve never read it before, and seriously analyze Bella’s Character. She is, in fact, a total Mary Sue. Shes pretty, thin, stupid (however much Stephanie asshead tries to protray her as smart) obsessed, and weak as they get. How can she NOT be a Mary sue? her only flaw is that she’s clumsy, and thats a cute flaw!
Wow, dude. just wow.
1. Bella IS a Mary-Sue. She has no flaws except that she is clumsy and everyone likes her despite the fact she is supposedly plain looking.
2. Now, Edward hasn’t abused her physically, but emotionally he has. He broke her car in one of the books (I’m pretty sure it was the 3rd one) so she wouldn’t be able to visit her friend, and he said it was “for her own good”. He clearly thinks she is incapable of thinking for herself and he tries to make all of her decisions for her. He has some serious control issues.
3. Now, as for Myers’ rules, she states that vampires have venemous blood and fluid, which should mean that his spooj was poisonous too, yet somehow he was able to get Bella pregnant when his spooj should have eaten through her eggs like acid. Vampires also have a differant chromosome count than humans, which scientifically means that him and Bella shouldn’t have been able to produce offspring at all.
Those are just a few examples I thought I’d point out. And yes, I have read the whole series; I used to be a fan of the series until I woke up and realized how ridiculous it was. I’m pretty sure you won’t be able to comprehend anything I’ve just said, but hopefully I’m wrong.
Fiction, noun. An ingenious device used to portray things that are not possible as the truth.
So let me get this right, you think that it is silly that his “spooj” got her pregnant. You also are trying to throw in that vampires have different chromosomes which scientifically means that he couldn’t get her pregnant. Yet you are not bothered by the fact that he is a vampire who sparkles and her best friend is a werewolf? It is fiction, it is meant to be entertaining not explainable.
although it would be nice if it was bothe entertaining AND explainable.
First of all, I’m known as twilight guardian, though I’m not using that name because dozens have mistaken my name for being created by a Twilight fan. While I haven’t watched the movies or read the books, one cannot deny the indesputible facts that Twilight is in a sense not as wonderful as people claim. I’m not going to get into the details.
I mostly am replying to note how incredibly immeture that you and your friends sound, spouting with grammatical failure how Twilight is awsome and “pwns” and that everyone who hates Twilight “suxorz” and doesn’t know what their talking about. We would be more inclined to listen to your disputes if you didn’t go on immeture rages whenever we try to voice our own oppinions.
As for oppinions, this chart only shows why people hate Twilight. Note that many people hate Twilight because they’ve met fans. It could be that they just got tired of hearing about Twilight, or maybe they have cousins that drove them nuts with Twilight antics. It isn’t a bad thing to say “hey, I just don’t like it.” Me? I’m not a vampire person, period. I’ll read a vampire novel if it is very well written.
Hypocrite. Look at all of YOUR grammatical errors. What is pwns? I’m guessing that suxorz is sucks, but, I mean, I could be wrong. People don’t just say that they don’t like it. They immediately decide that they hate it, and tell us in the worst possible way. I wouldn’t care that much if it weren’t for the fact that my temper has been sorely pricked-over and over and over again. I don’t shove it in people’s faces. I hate when people do that. That makes me hate Twilight for a second too. Respect is a big thing for me. Not all fans are the stupid, annoying kind.
He was making fun of twilight fan girls like you and how they talk, idiot. Read it again. DAMN, you’re stupid.
The words pwns and suxorz were in quotes, meaning he was quoting idiotic fan girls like yourself, who apparently don’t understand that he’s making fun of them. Very Nice.
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I have no way to respond to you because your stupidity basically melted my brain. But those words were in quotes in case you failed to realize.
Wow, really? It’s people likeyou that demolish my faith in the human race.
Zing!
Dude, remember the fact that Twilight haters are not the only ones who don’t just say that they don’t like it. If you read the comments you will notice most of the Twilight lovers don’t just say they like it, they have to say it in the tiniest details. Personally, I don’t like it because of how whiny Bella is.
Reason #1 to hate Twilight; it is the most ridiculously sexist book I’ve ever read. The moment Bella gets a boyfriend, she loses her personality. That just makes it poor literature. If you’d like a full list of reasons it’s a bad book, I’ve got 100 posted online somewhere. PS: You may think it’s romantic, but if you found out a guy from your school was watching you while you slept, you would call the police. Immediately
SHE DOES NOT LOSE HER PERSONALITY!!! WHAT DO U MEAN?!!!!!! ur right, I WOULD call the police. But, I mean, Twilight is different. It is FICTION, after all.
HAHAHA? JUST BECAUSE IT IS FICTION DOESN’T MEAN IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE REALISTIC. *backhands* You’re really pissing me off right now.
THE DEFINITION of fiction is something unrealistic. But you are right. People do not like reading excessively unrealistic books.
actually it doesn’t have to be realistic. look up the definition of fiction.
Really? You can’t see how she loses her personality? This in itself proves it’s a sexist book, and you can’t even see it because you’re too blinded by Edward’s sparkles.
read the vampire vegas series by erin mccarthy. maybe not much romance, but way sexier.
and if you dont like twilight even a little bit, why are you wasting your time telling people 100 things that suck about the book. i mean, if you didn’t like it, why even finish reading it?
well, yes it is kinda sexist. but i only think that because most men are sexist pigs and think all girls are crazy and you know, horribly obsessed with their looks. thats about 2 % of the us, the rest think your crazy
Read a real vampire book like dracula, then see if you still like Twilight.
Yes, please.
‘salem’s Lot.
Well, i don’t see why you can’t keep it to yourself that you like twilight.
and im sure they can’t see why you can’t keep it to yourself that you DONT like twilight. stop wasting your time about things you dont give a crap about.
The one thing that pisses me about Twilight is that the cast and it have gotten so many awards. Twilight doesn’t deserve them, because it isn’t a prestigious series. Sure, it’s a neat book, but it’s just a silly teenager tale of romance and danger. Kristen Stewart is the ugliest person I’ve seen in a decade (and trust me, she’s worse than Britney Spears, Madonna, Miley Cyrus), and I couldn’t believe it when people thought Robert Pattinston was hot. Twilight’s beaten many others to the awards that deserve it way more. It’s unfair to others that teens are in love with Twilight, when it doesn’t deserve the fame that it gets.
I hate Twilight too, but saying the cast is ugly isn’t helping. Find some real reasons please.
actually the cast is most of the reason why the movie sucks, and again, only the leads.
Get ova urself!
Rob’s hot ur not!
Kristen’s awesome ur not!
Robert Pattinson was hot in Harry Potter. When he was semi-tanned and had his shirt ON. Now he’s just… urgh!
if the book is as good as people say, than it can take jokes like this and still survive, okay? and before you tell me i am just saying it sucks without reading it, i gave it a fair chance, i read the first two chapters, vomited in the toilet, than threw the book in there, well , not really, but it was terrible in my mind. im not saying its stupid dont read it, im saying my personal response to it is to bury it in non- dairy creamer and gasoline and throw a match in.
I totally agee with u i love alice and jasper, and the rest of the cullen family. i just new moon yesterday morning and it was better than the first one, but who cares they are both the best, i have read the series and listened to the soundtracks million of times, and never get sick of it!
Wait a second. Its a Cullen FAMILY!?!?!? VAMPIRES GIVING BIRTH TO OTHER VAMPIRES? Thats just poor studying on Stephanie Asshole’s part. VAMPIRISM IS A DISEASE! THERE CAN’T BE BABY VAMPIRES UNLESS THE BABY WAS BITTEN BY A VAMPIRE!!! I believe that Twilight completely takes the concept of vampires, rapes it, murders it, and preforms necrophilia on the corpse. In other words, vampires can’t give birth, they don’t sparkle, and people can have their own version of vampires as long as they at least give them FANGS!
OK, u should check ur facts before u speak. I just read all 4 books in a row and NOWHERE does it say that any VAMPIRES gave birth. All the children vampires discussed in the books were either bitten and turned, or conceived the old fashion way. There was a scientific argument that addresses the method of conceiving, and even addressed the birth. With the exception of Bella and Edwards child, the human mothers of the other conceived half breeds died when the child ripped through their stomach. Bella basically had a c section, and was turned to a vampire by the venom very quickly after before she died from the experience. As with any myth, there are different variations in different regions worldwide, so how do u know vampires don’t sparkle. Ever met one? lol.
I’m a vampire and I don’t sparkle.
And by the way, some more facts you have wrong… the original Dracula did not have fangs or an aversion to the sun? He just had sharp teeth. The fangs were added in the 1958 movie version to make it scarier. And the original Dracula was not burned if he went in the sun. He was just only ever seen at or attacked at night. Like most killings and rapes and other crimes are. It is easier to prey at night with fewer people around. The burning in the sun thing was added in the 1922 Dracula rip off titled “Nosferatu”. So if these people can change from the original Dracula, then why can’t Stephanie Meyer?
u really need to watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Dracula is in that too!
ditto
ahahaha. I just laughed so hard at this! i am a fan of vampires, and i mean real vampires with fangs! so that was very well said!
Does the word “opinion” mean much to you? Does “opinion” even imply that if people disagree, it may not mean you are right and they are wrong? Do you not see that… I don’t know, not everyone in the world agrees? Do you not understand that people vote because the whole world doesn’t agree?
Does the word “grammar” mean anything to you? Have you not noticed that typing like that doesn’t help your cause? “Spelling” would be a good word, too.
(I’m sorry for overreacting, but Twilight fans flipping everytime someone disagrees or makes a joke, and not even trying to help their cause with proper spelling and grammar is just grinding my nerves.)
thank you. ya’ll think whatever you want and stop trippin on people who think differently. and yes i am a hypocrite but that isn’t the point here.
twilight isnt even original, look at vampire literature, if its not horror its romance
also there’s a lot of professional critics who also have expressed their dislike for the series, seriously, a book about a girl whose life spins around a sparkling vampire is just a ************ waste of time and paper
There is no swear word as long as ************.
That’s 12 asterics.
12.
i have read it. and it was good. but sparkly vampires that stalk you is more creepy than vampires that burn in the sun and try to eat you unless they have a soul, which can only be restored by gypsies. ur saying that people should keep the fact that they hate it to themselves but maybe you should too. people pay out the people that are obsessed with it more than the actual book.
It’s bad because it’s teaching you the importance of having a boy friend. There is no plot line. It’s the basic story of girl meets boy, boy and girl fall in love, boy leaves, girl falls in love with best friend, boy comes back, love triangle, original boy will win. It’s a book about a vampire that watches a girl sleep because he ‘loves her’. He’s not even a real vampire, they don’t sparkle and they drink human blood. It’s a book that has 2 pedophiles in it – Jacob AND Edward. Jacob, because he ‘imprints’ on Renesmee, and Edward because he’s in ‘love’ with Bella, he’s like 107. Also, spelling you like ‘u’ doesn’t make you cool, neither does spelling cause like ‘cuz. If you’re going to prove people wrong, please spell correctly. The ‘freakin BEST book in the whole damn world’ got a 3/10 from me. And, trust me, I DID read the books and see the movie. I guess I’m part of the minority that doesn’t like Twilight.
ok just my opinion here. it was cute when edward fell in love with bella. technically hes 107 but his hormones and crap are still stuck at 17. its cute. and jake was whatever renesmee wanted him to be. she was just a little kid who was smarter than me and most average people (and im kinda the smart over smart teachers pet kinda person) again cute.
Do you even know what a well written, and original book is? From the looks of your writing and your idea of “the freaking best book in the whole damn world” is, you have no idea. I’ve read the books, because my friends said it was really good. I read all four books and I had to say, I had to pick up “The Da Vinci Code” right away because THAT is a good, well written, original idea book.
*INCESSANT LAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
Ok, that was possibly the stupidest, most rabidly obnoxious comment I have ever read. Ever. Really, truly, and honestly. Twilight is not the best book in the world.
You want a permissable reason to hate your precious Twilight?One example was that Bella is a blank slate, designed for teens to shove their personalities onto and indulge in when nobody is looking.
I have read the books, every single one- cover to cover; the reason I did that was because every one of my friends read Twilight and I wanted to be able to share my input.
After reading, I evaluated. It IS a poorly written, cliche, indulgent (obnoxiously so), unrealistic (and not because its fantasy) piece of literary dirt. One reason why it sucks whale d*** is because the leads, the most important characters, have 0 flaws whatsoever. Bella is a clutz; thats about it. And that flaw doesn’t apply at all because whenever she falls, somebody catches her, or, she is miraculously perfectly fine. That clumsiness was used to make her more endearing, and it is not an “oh boy, shes about to die because she tripped off a cliff” kind of clumsiness. Did anybody notices how many times other charaters mention that Bella can land herself in the ER without any more help than her own two feet; and yet it never happens?
When any tripping does happen, Edward always catches her. It would be nice if she tripped off a cliff and had to save- GASP- herself from danger, something she seems completely incapable of doing. I’ve never been so sick of watching a character prance through her existance, living for one thing, with no goals, aspirations, or will to live without her boyfriend. To me that just makes her look pathetic. It seems Meyer wants her to look pathetic, too.
In Jacob’s book in Breaking Dawn, he mentions her as weak, feeble, breakable, and helpless. Bella even mentions it herself, without any shame for that at all! I mean come ON! Who likes being Little Miss Innocent all the time? Or Little Miss Everyone Will Fly To My Rescue If I Get So Much As A Papercut- Even If They Hate My Guts! (i.e., the Quileutes) And the worst part of all? After the first 150+ pages of Twilight, I was ready to vomit if I heard the words “melted topaz” or “perfectly muscled chest” A.G.A.I.N. Ughhh, I hate Twilight. So much.
ok now i am really getting pissed off im not an uber twilight freak i like it a little more than average and am a little bit obsessed. if you don’t like it then why are you telling us? just ignore anything slightly related to it. has it ever occured to you that you may just want to dis it because you actually, subconciously, like it? i mean why else waste your time?
how immature…
don’t you know i’ve read the books and honestly think that its the crappiest book in the world.
twilight isn’t the best thing that has happened in this world..
and no, i’m not jealous. who would be jealous of obsessive girls drooling over fictional sparkling pixies. geez.. get a life
“twilight is the freakin BEST book in the whole damn world!”
Is it because it’s the only book you’ve read?
And the f**king twilight fans can keep their opinions to themselves! If I have to hear someone say “OH MII GODDDD Edward is lykkeeee soooo hotttt” I’ll blow someone’s head off!
I have read the books, so I can say they suck.
And I can say that is sucks because Meyer can’t f**king write. She can produce a piece of s**t no one will remember ten years from now.
Oh and hun, I’m not lying ;]
You people scare me…. you’ve read it, and still like it?
She writes like a three year old, I lost IQ points.
The sexism in it is horrid. The drama in it is worse than watching Glee, and not to mention the creepiness factor. I mean… Jacob pretty much winds up with a SEVEN year old. What the hell?!
Necrophilia, bestiality, pedophilia, bad writing, horrid acting and I don’t even want to get started on the lack of research.
It’s compared to Ann Rice because her stories were more than amazing. Twilight attempts symbolism but the beauty of symbolism is when it’s less than obvious and it helps convey the main moral of the story.
I also find it funny that you think if people would read it, then comment they would have something good to say or they would be lying.
Only brainless trend followers could enjoy this. Or females with low self worth. What ever happened to the women who read Jane Austin? Have some self respect people!
And the sparkling thing is just gay…
hahaa you crack me up. good one
You’re totally proving the chart to be right. THIS is why people don’t like Twilight fans.
There are a million reasons for why I hate Twilight, but I’ll only name a few. 1. All the characters are perfect in every way. I can’t connect to any of them like I can with a character with flaws. 2. The plot is horrible. There is supposed to be rising action, climax, and falling action. This is something I learned as a freshman. When I read the books, I expected there to be a battle between good and evil. What I got was, “Oh, have a seat. Let’s talk things out.” BORING!! 3. The series shows pedophilia (Jacob and Renesme), stalking (Edward watching Bella sleep), and MANY sexual connotations (Almost all of Breaking Dawn). Has ANYBODY noticed that the majority of pages in all the books have Bella and Edward saying, “I love you,” back and forth. I think GET IT already!
In rhythm with that, let’s also note that it shows just how shallow people are {note, fans = 13 year old girls. Coincidence? Methinks not.}. If Edward aged and looked like a normal 100-or-so-year-old, we’d hate it. It’d creep us out. Either he thinks like a seventeen year-old boy, making him immature, or Bella thinks like an old man. That speaks for itself. If Meyers hadn’t stressed his ‘beauty’ to the point of me vomiting, we’d think more about that. But no, if he looks young, it’s okay. Perfectly. Freaking. Okay.
I’m a 13 year old girl and I despise twilight.
It took me 5 days to read them. I would like those days back.
Zombies are way cooler.
sparkly stalking zombies??? is nothing sacred?
I approve of your mad trolling skills.
“And the estrogen express keeps chuggin’ along..”
LMAO
Um Stephenie admitted to reading Anne Rice and Anne Rice is pretty much one of the queens when it comes to vampires. So um, yeah the sparking quality of SMs vamps, total rip off of Anne Rice. Perhaps you’ve never read her. And if you aren’t allowed to talk about a book unless you are making millions off it, perhaps you should heed your own advice and stop lining SMs pockets. Just a thought.
You know, you kind of sound totally obsessed…But just cuz you know a bunch of guys that like it, doesn’t mean it’s good. I read the book. I liked it, but it wasn’t that great. Bella swan comes just short of the epitome of Mary Sue. She is beaten only by certain characters in fanfics for various things, most notoriously the main character in a Harry Potter fanfic called “My Immortal.” Ironically, both sues in question are in stories that share a name with piano songs…. And if they were making millions of bucks off twilight, they wouldn’t say they disliked it, that was kinda irrelevant.
And Raven, I read the first several chapters of Interview with a Vampire, and I have a freaind who is comepletely obsessed with Anne Rices books, I’m pretty sure there is no sparkling of the vampires.. and I do know hat Anne Rice’s vampires die in the sunlight.
i didnt really understand that, but if u just payed out Harry Potter im gonna find u and avada kedavra u! if u were complimenting it, then i will find u and give u a hug!!
Please stop giving Harry Potter fans as bad a name as Twilight ones. It’s rather embarassing.
Anyway, they weren’t insulting/ “paying out” (whatever that means; I just guessed you meant insulting or something of that type,) Harry Potter. They were insulting a Harry Potter fan fiction.
my freind, who did read anne rice (ironically also named raven) confirmed.
there is no sparkling in anne rice’s books. How can you rip something off of someone if they never used it?
i thought anne rice was kind of boring. it took to long to say basically nothing. but thats just my opinion. i stopped reading the vampire lestat after a few chapters.
and the old lady thing was kinda creepy
LEAVE BRITANNY ALONE!!! *cries*
hahahhahha
U SPELT IT WRONG! haha. my Friend’s name is Brittany, and she get so annoyed when people spell her name Britney, cos thats how Britney Spears name is spelt…
Well, shutting up would be a LOT easier if you Twilight lovers would hold your end of the deal up. You keep telling us to stop hating, but meanwhile, you’re gushing about this dead lump of tree. By the way, Edward isn’t a guy. He’s only a word, seriously. Twilight is not a religion. Bella Swan is a key device in showing that females can’t do @#$% for themselves, and are nothing but play toys that are to be protected like property. Every other sentance, the author says something about Edward and how ‘perfect’ he is. The book is clich’e, let’s face it. It’s predictable, and not even worth reading all the way through.
i applaud you
Wow. And I thought I was good at totally ruining fangirl’s reasons to like twilight. You just hit the ball right out of the park, only for it to come all the way around the world and fly out of the park again. I applaud you.
OK, the author is not talking about how perfect Edward is. This book is written from the viewpoint of 16 yr old girl with a pretty big crush. So, if u have never been a 16 yr old girl with a serious crush, u prob don’t think like one either. 16 yr old girls DO make a big deal out of their crushes and DO think of them as perfect.
Really? I’m a teenage girl and I don’t see my crushes as perfect or make a big deal out of them. Way to stereotype. And also Bella’s 17, not 16.
everybody is 16 at some point…
The author is talking about how perfect Edward is. Bella, is a fictional character her thoughts are written by an AUTHOR.
Moron…
hey, some of us hate all the twilight stuff cause its so over rated by u people!! and by the way, vampires arent that perfect!! he doesnt even have fangs, some vampire! i tried to read that gay book twice but nearly dropped dead in the process. and one of the times i read wasnt when it was so over rated. that series suck!!!!! :p
twilight sucks!! i tried to read it but it bored me. people who really like to read usually i said usually!! hate this book. its terribly written! and edward….dont get me started on him!! i guess its too late…
he doesnt have fangs!! what kind of vampire is he??
he watches bella as she sleeps!?? creeper….
“he sees you when your sleeping, he knows when your awake. he knows if youve been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake!!”
^^agreed.
If it weren’t for fans like you maybe we could. *remembers how horrible the writting was* Naw couldn’t like it if I tried.
yeah… because killers sparkle.
LOLL (:
Hmmmm… Read the books. Liked them. Hated most of the fanbase.
Oh well.
People like you are the reason I don’t often talk about twilight.
lol, wow thank you for proving the point here….awesome….simply awesome
Nope. Edward’s gay stalking rapist monster. Bella’s a crybaby slut. Jacob’s a stoner rapist puppy monster. Alice is a midget. The tall one’s belemich. Jasper is a psycho. Emmet is a gorilla. And the fact that your crush read means: 1) They are a gay man; 2) they are a mindless comforming delusional whorny woman.
Word to you.
well I think that if you have the right to say you love it, we have the right to say we hate it, don’t you think?
If you’re not obsessed then why are you defending it so heatedly?
It’s like you read my mind and saved me the trouble of having to write it all. That is exactly what I try to tell people but they JUST WON’T LISTEN! And actually, not only did my friends read it, they got SUCKED IN. No pun intended. Boy friends and boyfriends read it and didn’t hate it. One drawback: My MOTHER is reading it. *groans* What will she think? I can just SEE that look on her face that always makes me think, “What did I do?” and almost die from the panic. ! The thing is, I don’t have anything to hide and that Twilight doesn’t really have anything really naughty in it. Not even naughty in GENERAL. By the way, I actually AM obsessed. I LOVE Twilight. Although, this is coming from a girl who has a very long list of things that she is obsessed with.
NO. stop. i am stopping you right now. SHUT UP
Mam, you are being recalled for you are a big flaw to the human race.
people get “sucked in” because it appeals to their sexual fantasies, not because of good literary qualities
Oh my god, you are totally right. Stephenie’s persepective on vampires sucks ASS. I mean…
~Vampires DON’T sparkle
~They Don’t go out during daytime. PERIOD.
~Human x Vampire relationships always end in Failure.
I bet 50% of people going to watch new moon are screaming fangirls, along with another group being average fans, another group of haters dragged into the theatre and finally a group of people who ONLY CAME TO SEE THE DAMN MOVIE just to check out Taylor shirtless.
I rest my case.
You forgot to mention that neither vampires not vegetarians eat deer, mountain lions, or grizzly bears.
WHATCH YOUR GOD DAMN MOUTH ESPICIALLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT STEPHANIE MEYER:{
Stephanie Meyer can suck my balls. She’s a terrible writer.
I saw it so that i could:
1) Pay it out
2) omg. Taylor Lautner shirtless? HELLS YEAH!!
3) Yell out awesome Harry Potter references during it. eg. ‘Omg! Cedric’s alive!’ and in the scene where Edward is being beaten up by the Volturi: ‘Cedric, Your Wand!’
Heehee. It was so fun!
Wow, that /really/ made sense. Because I’m not making millions of dollars off it, I therefore know nothing about it and should stop insulting it. Oh, and of course, your crush said it was kinda cool. Oooh. Now you really have me convinced! o.O
Wow… fan-ism to extreme-ity. 8|
lol wat a biatch
you know wat you better watch what you say because i dont like that kind of language because your little potty mouth better leave whoever it was you were talking to alone and i mean it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!+++++
OMG! this actually made me laugh sooo much! Not because it was true, because of how much bullcrap it is! ‘little potty mouth?’ What the hell!!??!?!?!?
you just reinforced the “whiny little girl fan” stereotype. 1st prize!
this thread does not come up only under “I hate twilight” on google.
i totally agree im not obsessed but i have read all the books 32 times each since i have got them. i love twilight and robert is not gay because hes always seeing girls so that deffinetly proves it
Not obsessed, you say? I’ll openly admit that I went through the “Harry Potter phase” for a few years and I read each of the books six or seven times. I still love the series and can quote something word for word from each book.
But really… 32 times? That’s what I call obsession. I can’t read a book 32 times. Do you have the whole series memorized?
WATCH YOUR MOUTH
I’m sorry, but this is why it makes me hard to talk to any fans of the book. Before anyone rants on me, I did enjoy the books, but I refuse to take on the name fan because I find it disgraceful. It would be better if you said something like, “Oh, I love twilight, but I can respect people have different opinions.” If you don’t want to hear them, exit the screen. It shows a true mark of a well rounded individual to give a nod of respect to an opinion he doesn’t agree with and move on with their lives. And stop thinking while we read? That…no, just no. That’s not a good argument. It makes it sound like you have to be an idiot to read the twilight books. That’s DEFINITELY not an incentive for anyone to want to read them.
I enjoyed reading the books. I enjoy criticizing them even more. I respect your opinion to love the books, just please be respectful of people who don’t like the books. They are entitled to their opinions.
People have their own oppinion. if people want to say Edward is gay, let them, just ignore it. No use getting grumpy. But seriously? sparkly vampires who stalk you? i get that u hate people ragging on Twilight, but try to look at it from their perspective. Read Mlia. and average wizard.
STFU
Oh wow, your crush, let me guess the boy who sat next to you in nap time and let you borrow his purple crayon. Wow, he must be a real literary genius. Get a life kid.
“Read books.”
“I do read books, I’ve read Twilight”
“that’s a book? I thought it was fancy looking toilet paper”
we are aloud to have opinions. i have read the book, and i dont like the writing style. people who say edward is gay or dumb, they are aloud to say it. so what if i have an anti twilight club? ive heard people rippin on hp( best book eva!) and tell me ot to make fun of twilight. i do cuz they wont stop makin fun og HP. i DO NOT like stephenie meyer. i DO NOT like edward or bella. and i DO NOT LIKE TWILIGHT!!!!! bu i do love buffy the vampire slayert
ever heard of the right to free speech and personal opinions? stop acting holier than thou and let people have the same courtesy that you demand.
I’m a dude and I liked the book, never saw the movie
@stoprippingtwilight I’m really sorry but you just confirmed this graph. XD
Wow. People like you make me laugh. ‘are you ppl making millions of bucks from these books? no!’ God, what are you, four? We adults here use grammar. Pick it up hun. Also, do you know how hard it is to get a book published today? EXTREMELY. I’ve had my writings rejected, and it’s hard to find someone to take your story into the world, so NO, not everyone’s making millions, but are YOU? Didn’t think so. Also, how can someone sparkle…and be a vampire? Um, HELLO! That seems kind of weird…that a vampire sparkles. What, did being burned by sunlight become too ‘unoriginal’? And yes, Anne Rice does, because her vampires are MUCH better, and also seem more ‘realistic’ (if you will) to the traditional vampire. I’m not saying that every vampire must be like that, but seriously. Vampires. Don’t. Sparkle.
Oh. And yes. THe book is bad. Bella has nothing better to do than obsess over Edward, and he wants to either suck her dry or be completely over protective, abusive, or down right mean to her. BORING. And extremely creepy. Why would I want someone to watch me while I sleep? I’m take a baseball bat to their head if I saw someone watching me. Not react calmly. That is also stupid.
So, in retaliation, ‘stoprippingtwilight’, you can read this and reply, or not. It doesn’t matter to me. All that matters is that I get my opinion out there.
Btw. The conversation will NEVER be closed. There shall always be a debate.
Harry potter is about conquering fears, finding friends, and much much more… twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend!!!! and stephane myers can’t waltz in and change the rules of vampires!!!! I LOVED vampires and all that stuff… then she made twilight I hate vampires!!!! now I have read all the books and seen all the movies before I decided I HATE twilight!!!
Except they forgot “People who’s girlfriends are avid fans”
Sucks to be you ….
I feel sorry for the guys who got dumped by girlfriends so they could find their “edward cullen”
I refused to date a guy who said he wished i’d be his Bella.
sucks to be me.
That was me =(
But I figured that if she’s that stupid then I don’t want her anyways
I feel sorry for guys who had a relationship with anyone who liked Twilight enough to pretend it made any sense.
my boyfriend puts up with me being an avid fan. ….the guy has patience. lol.
May I apply for all of the above?
Have you seen the 12 year old’s scratching their necks to make “vampire bites”?
All of the above as well.
Seriously? People do that? Obsession.
I’m 13 and if kids do that then they’re mental. I used to be obsessed and now I just treat it as a joke because thats what its turned into.
same here. i read the first three over the summer, liked them, but i got back to school and was like “…wft?!” so i declared my hatred at every opportunity because ALL of my friends are freaking obsessed. i couldn’t even get through breaking dawn, though, because it was so damn boring!
and it gives girls a false sense of “true love.” bella is a girl who needs edward by her side 24/7 or else she’ll jump off a cliff. edward is controlling. and yet people drool over the series like it was sent from god as the second coming. gimme a break, PLEASE!
Amen to that. It’s one thing if my 50-year-old friend likes TWILIGHT as a no-brainer, trashy romance… but the idea that there are teens and ‘tweens with no real-life romantic experience reading this dysfunctional, obsessive-relationship crap and thinking it’s “True LUV”?!? Gag.
If Edward were a real boy, Bella’s parents should be filing for a restraining order to stop him stalking her. And the whole “I’m an immortal, centuries-old vampire, but I wanna boink a teenager” thing is just pedophilic-creepy.
I just read Tamora Pierce’s BEKA COOPER: TERRIER… Not that she’s Great Literature, either, but THAT girl is smart, tough, and thinks for herself. She doesn’t get foolishly over-confident and try to do everything by herself (she gladly accepts help from her friends and mentors), but she doesn’t NEED a man to feel satisfied with her life. I’d like to see HER up against Edward Twinkle-boy… She’d kick his possessive, stalker-vampire butt from here to doomsday.
i don’t like twilight but it’s quite sad if you really did punch your friend
because of it. :/
slap
people who romanticize self injuring make me angry. I needed lots of therpay to develop healthy coping skills and these punks do it because of a book series??
ISS=detention? If I were your teacher I’d have given you a commendation.
ISS=detention? If I were your teacher I’d have made you Student of the Year.
D’oh, thought the first one didn’t post. Ah well.
Makes you as bad as the rabid fangirls.
Don’t stoop to their level.
Thank God there’s someone who realizes haters can be just as irritating as rabid fans.
True, but at least we (haters) make sense.
wtf?!?!?!?! seriously? how pathetic
watch ur language…
You’re destroying your own language.
I call this one “Win”.
I tend to stay away from anything that has what I call a “bandwagon stigma” attached to it.
Napoleon Dynamite? Never seen it.
Harry Potter? Never read it.
Halo? Never played it.
HARRY POTTER is actually worth the read. And Harry’s values are much better than Bella’s…
HP is most definitely one of the 3 best things I’ve ever read (and by that I mean the entire series, but not the movies which sucked) they’re so much more normal and don’t have a creepish obsessive romance in them, but much more minor normal romances
what are your other two?
You know I heard they made another book. What is that… 8 or 9?
Shouldn’t quit while they were ahead
/sigh
if ur talking about The Tales of Beedle the Bard, then that’s not technically a HP book and is the 10th, including the other two companion-type books that are books mentioned in the actual HP series annd thenn JKR decided to write them.
then it had to have been them quitting after the 5th movie, lol.
Refusing to do something just because lots people like it is just as lame as jumping on that bandwagon.
Napolean Dynamite was fun before EVERYONE started quoting it when it came out on DVD.
I was forced to read the first Harry Potter in school, so I have no argument here.
Halo is brilliant when you approach it objectively. It was a great move in FPS-style games, the graphics were staggering for their time when so much was happening on the screen at once, and the story is near perfect in it’s conception. You may say I’m a “fan-boy” but this is something you should experience if you play games.
Comments like this make me worry that there are many more people who don’t experience thing just because other people say, “Wow. That was awesome!” Have you never listened to the radio? sat on an overstuffed couch? eat meat?
What about the middle ground? People who don’t do something because it is different. Some people don’t watch black and white movies just because they are black and white.
I’ve only read Harry Potter. I’m a fan of witchcraft and sorcery. It’s a very interesting subject. But like everything I do, I probably would have gotten in late in the craze (probably around the time the 4th book came out) if it hadn’t been for my 4th grade teacher reading us the first half Philosopher’s Stone for Reading Hour.
Ah, I forgot to mention that I’ve only read up to book 6. It went a little downhill in terms of enjoyability after book 5.
5th book wasn’t as good. but the 7th is excellent. all of them are. if u are as obsessed as i am, go onto http://www.averagewizard.com
best. website. ever.
all three are actually worth a watch/read/play. just because something is popular, that does not in any way make it bad.
Halo is amazing, Harry Potter is addicting, and Napoleon Dynamite is the mother of all funny quotes.
Graph title FAIL
i came here to say this
reason people hate graphjam -> graphs like this, 100%
Oh, the sweet irony!
i came here to say that too.
Take the ‘people who’ out of the labels and there would be no fail.
I LOVE the twilight. Azura be praised, may your star guide me Oh wait, you don’t mean the actual twilight? Ok.
Rofl I actually got that. -highfive-
OMG, a sophisticated video game reference!
Marry me!
marry me too 0_0
lol elder scroll refrence (I think)
Shouldn’t this be “People Who Hate Twilight” seeing as how those are not reasons…
I was thinking the same thing… Either way, it’s a win.
I happen to be in the green and red section. If you really read them, not just for fluff, the books are terrible. But the fans, man…the fans are so much worse…
Agreed. I read about 3 pages before wanting to burn the book. That was to see why it was popular.
Then I met the fans…I’ve decided to become a vampire hunter.
They’re not even real vampires. Vampires DON’T SPARKLE.
STRAIGHT vampires don’t sparkle.
Agreed to all comments. And I *did* burn the book halfway through reading it.
*shakes hand*
Vampires in Anne Rice novels didn’t sparkle so the gay ones don’t usually sparkle either.
Haha, gay vampires don’t sparkle either.
Lestat didn’t even sparkle.
so what are REAL vampires like, eh?
http://www.white-wolf.com/vampire/index.php
that’s my reason too
Vampires DON’T EXIST.
So there’s no such thing as “real vampires”
It’s a just a story. The author is perfectly within her rights to make vampires sparkle, because its fiction. It is entirely made up. She’s allowed to do whatever she wants in her story.
To be honest it’s not a bad concept, it’s a different take on vampires, it’s new, at least it’s not all the cliched stuff about dying in the sun. That happens in LOADS of vampire stories. So this is really quite an original idea.
I have to say I absolutely hated it to start off with when the film got really big and everyone became obsessed with it. I hated all hype over it and the idea of everyone being in love with Edward Cullen, a fictional character, really annoyed me. But I thought I’d watch the film to see what all of the fuss was about. I actually thought it was good. Stephanie Meyer came up with a pretty decent and an original idea.
I’m now reading the books, and I gotta say Bella seems like a bit of a whiney little cow to start off with but gets better.
Besides, like I already pointed out, it’s just a story, they are just characters so they can be however the author wants them to be. Allbeit kinda stupid.
But still I don’t understand the obsession with Edward.
In the books I find Jasper’s character much more interesting.
Sorry this has turned into an essay… It’s just so annoying when people go on about “vampires don’t sparkle blahblahblah..”, vampires do whatever the author wants them to do. Cos they are totally made up.
And I understand why people can hate it, there are definitly some aspects of the whole thing that are annoying, but don’t knock it til you’ve tried it. And if you have tried it, fair enough, I respect your opinion.
And for the record, all the fans who are completely obsessed with it and see no reasoning whatsoever, and the fans that scream and scream at the actors in the film, that scare them half to death, the obsessive ones: you are quite annoying, and you really shouldn’t focus your lives on one fictional thing.
Rant over.
Oh man I am so sorry. That was so long…
meh, don’t worry about the rant. however, i think you might have missed all my prior posts
I’ve read the books and been forced to watch the movie, what i find idiotic is that- even MORE cliche than an average, mediocre vampire book/movie/various piece of media, there is some repetitively described vampire-human romance in the books. YET AGAIN. the plotline and thought behind the story behind the books was unoriginal, it’s been done far too many times before- perfect man, soulmate-y crap yet again, it just irritated me. i know that vampires aren’t technically real, but they have a pretty big following myth-wise, and she, as an author, could have at least respected THAT as much as she could.
on another note, it bothers me that edward is as controlling and hurtful to bella as he is, and that girls my age are actually reading that stupidly dreamy, unrealistic guy, and comparing him to REAL RELATIONSHIPS. a few months back, my ex said i reminded her of edward. she knew i hated the books, but i held my tongue). again, it bothered me that since those books came out, guys are almost expected to be like that in a relationship. I mean, if i was female, i think i’d actually choose Jacob over Edward any day. as a partner, he is still just as attached emotionally, while being MUCH more human in his actions and less dramatic about his life. sorry. that was definitely a tangent. anyway, i thought the books were far too unoriginal- more cliche, even, then a plain old vampire story. then, at least, the characters would have flaws, rather than some dream-boy who’s obsessed about to the point of idiocy.
I KNOW! CRAP!!! STUPID SHIFT KEY IS STUCK!!!!
Haha… good one
agreed, ellie. The books.. Jacob was the only character i liked ;P
i’m a teenager myself
my friend lives her life by these books, she even auditioned for the movie- it’s unbelievably stupid.
i see a bunch of teenage girls talking about which twilight poster they want for their wall and i feel like breaking legs =/
and no i don’t hang around teenage girls in an old-man way
If you have to mention that you are a teenager you’re not a teenager.
psh, LIES, i am!
Jacob is the only likable character because he is the only one who isn’t one dimensional. The rest of the characters read like Meyer’s personal fantasy. Bella is perfect (aside from clumsiness, which goes away after the change) because Meyer is daydreaming herself as the character. The Cullens are prefect because she would want her “new family” to be perfect.
There are some good ideas floating around in the books, but they are not developed.
Meyer is making millions on what should have been a personal journal entry. It’s masturbatory.
So, so true.
jacob is the only character i hate in the books because he is trying to force a girl he supposedly loves out of a happy relationship and then whines throughout the whole story about how she doesn´t want him. big surpise.
I love him. He’s the only normal character.
Right up until the part where he becomes sexually attracted to an infant.
he doesn´t become sexually attracted to her. they go through that many times.
what? you do realize vervain was talking about renesme…?
Well actually, he doesn’t become sexually attracted to an infant. At one point Edward marvels that, even though Jacob just found out Renesmee will be full grown in seven years, he doesn’t think about that. He’s happy to have a platonic relationship with her. He’s happy just being around her. There were no sexual references whatsoever.
His character bonded with her. He helped her through a dark time. They shared common interests and experiences.
Jacob doesn’t try to “force” her to love him; she already does. Edward on the other hand fits many of the diagnostic criteria for a sociopath.
Edward on the other hand showed several abusive traits. He stalked her (watching her sleep without her knowledge, following her several times throughout the books). He put her in danger more than once. He made her keep secrets, was overly protective, jealous. and told her that to be with him forever she would have to be cut off from her family and friends. When he abandons her he forces her best friend (Alice) to stop seeing her. He later bribes Alice to keep her “safe” by essentially putting her on house arrest.
Edward and Bella’s “love” is merely obsessive lust. She pines for his vampiric perfection, and he lusts for her blood.
I read these books to see what all of the fuss was about. I have no doubt that they are going to f#%@ up a whole generation of girls.
“I have no doubt that they are going to f#%@ up a
whole generation of girls.”
The world could use some kinky chicks
not ones who tolerate abuse. we have enough of those.
You liked Jacob? I learned everything I could about the franchise short of reading the book, and Jacob is the stoner rapist puppy.
In what way is he a stoner or a rapist? I’m curious as to how you came to these conclusions.
There should be one that says “Encountered an advertisement with the phrase ‘Forbidden love between a vampire and a mortal.’”
Really? Seriously?
How? Just how does this happen? Someone had to examine this graph, decide it was front-page worthy, then go through the trouble of actually posting it. How did such a glaringly hideous title phale survive the scrutiny?
1/5
Because the complete and utter truth of just how BADLY Twilight fans such and how much they need to just die en masse completely outweighs any and all other considerations, forever.
^this.
<3.
trufax.
The people who have read the book one needs to be bigger. Utter Tripe! Not to mention that the movie was worthless!
Waiting for the hordes of screaming fangirls getting pissy over this…
fangirls don’t read graphjam. they’re busy reading that atrocity of a series.
ironically enough, we’re ex-fangirls and we MADE the graph. that’s pretty much our situation though, we hate all of the fans. except for all of the cynical ones like us who realize that twilight is just crack for the brain.
OMG I LOVE U!!! me and my friends who are all ex-fangirls have, in the past, spent time emailing about how ridiculous it all is and that its basically just “crack for the brain”
I’m a fangirl and reading graphjam. You know some of are actually normal.
Gah.
Lame.
And I’m not just saying that because I like Twilight..I can take a joke
What’s happened to all the funny graphs?
I’m so sure. You’re probably just criticizing this graph because you’re a fangirl. If you don’t like graphjam, either get off it and let people enjoy what they find humorous, or use your endless supply of squealing fangirl energy to do something constructive, like make a funny graph. Feel free to take your time racking your tiny, narrow mind over how to make something funny.
Who sprinkled you with angry dust this morning? Haha…
the fangirls always sprinkle angry dust on me.
Uh.
Right.
Isn’t there some sort of gray area people are missing here? Just because some Twilight fans pee their pants over pictures of vampires doesn’t mean we all do
I think I’m entitled to enjoy a book without being accused of having a “tiny, narrow mind”.
I’m sure even the best of us have guilty pleasures that most people see as utter crap.
I’m just fine with you liking twilight and not being a fangirl. Just don’t whine about a perfectly funny graph without giving a reason. Your second comment proves that you really can’t take a joke, or at least ignore offensive generalizations. I play video games at least an hour a day, and am heavily into them. You don’t see me whining about the stereotype that all gamers are sweaty nerds who sit on their couch all day and never go outside because I know it doesn’t apply to me. You ought to try it. You should also follow your own advice and let me enjoy my “guilty pleasure” of liking this graph which you apparently see as “utter crap”.
I don’t see it as crap, it just doesn’t strike me as funny
Reason? I think the punchline is too obvious.
Happy?
=D
Oh, and, gaming rules.
*clings to Halo*
Thank you!
I go to a school where not only are there psychotic fangirls, there are also psychotic fanboys. I wish my school could have more level-headed fans like you.
The fans ruined any small hope of me ever liking the series, but I don’t get angry at them just because they like Twilight.
I think we could get along just fine discussing it.
Sorry for just rambling, it’s just… you made my day.
Amen, girly…:)
Hate the books.
Don’t want to see the crappy movie.
Everyone who can think for themselves hate it too.
Severely annoyed by obssesed fangirls.
THIS CHART FOR THE WIN
I *heart* you.
Everyone who can think for themselves hate it too.
Eh, I think that statement is a little too generic. I like the books, but I’m not an obsessed fangirl. I don’t like the fans either, as hoards of annoying, squealing teenagers makes me weep for humanity, but I do like the books as a bit of fluff. What’s wrong with that?
what’s wrong with it is that merely by saying you like twilight people already assume you are a crazy mutant obsessed fangirl before you can even let them know you’re human. if i were in your situation i would secretly like it and deny all association to avoid public scrutiny. and loss of brain cells.
I am none.
I liked the books sorta. But I’m not a fan girl. The more obsessed teenagers I see, the more I’m sorry these books exist. The movie was terrible.
My least favourite books ever. How did they get so popular?
because it´s romantic and fluffy, and who doesn´t love those warm fuzzies?
It’s every obsessive fangirl’s wet dream published in hardback. It’s popular because Meyer, instead of writing fanfiction from some licensed series, wrote generic fanfiction that had a real chance of getting published. It’s honestly no different than most of the tripe you find on places like fanfiction.net, adultfanfiction.net, etc (this is not to say that there are no good fanfic authors, I’ve read from several who are notable exceptions) except for the fact you can buy it in a book store. It has more exposure, and critics will give it the time of day.
Vampire romance has been on the rise for the past 3-4 years, and with the success of several children franchises like Harry Potter, Series of Unfortunate Events, etc, having a series that fits both categories would be a win for a publisher. This is the only reason I can think of that got Twilight published in the first place.
Let’s face it, if she had done the right thing and written it as a fanfic, she would have been flamed off the face of ffnet for the blatant mary-sueism and eye-gougingly-painful lack of beta.
Yeah…Meyer’s friends with a publisher. I saw it on yahoo news.
A publisher she’s been friends with for years, I might add.
So thats why it ever got published……
Finally a decent pie chart.
i loved the books and hate the fangirls all at the same time. to me it was the best romantic series ever! everything i could ever ask for!
I agree with you 100%
….movie wasnt all i thought it would be….but it was…alright…
Totally agree.
But the crazy fan girls are making me ashamed of saying that I liked it! A lot!
mostly the fangirls suck because they are just the opposite of the kind of woman that is praised in the book, the kind that isn´t a mindless sheep following after any hot guy they see. it kinda uspets me that those people missed the entire point of bella´s character, that they don´t need to be mini-whores to be cool.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Bella is quite self-absorbed and shallow. These are not good qualities in anyone. I won’t call her a mindless sheep, but she certainly is the stereotype of today’s teenager.
quite agree. bella is not exactly who you would call a great role model.
especially a girl who gets pregnant still in her teens shortly after getting married, and cheats on edward a few times by snogging Jake… yeah great qualities i want my daughters reading… and why havent these books been banned?
well when you say it out of context it sure sounds horribly. i´m the frist to admit that she´s an idiot, but pregancy wasn´t considered a possibility. plus, jacob kissed her once, just once, not a few times, once.
How is it out of context when it’s the truth?
except it´s not the truth, in any way. read the book and see.
She’s a pretty bad role model for more reasons than this. She can’t make any decisions for herself, and relies on Edward to do it for her.
Edward says jump, Bella says how high.
what are you talking about? she is constantly going against his decisions. neaking off with her awful friend, wanting to become a vampire in spite of his wishes… honestly, people, read the book before you make these judgements. don´t take the internet nonsense for truth.
Oh, yes, the fact that he can’t actually go into her mind and make her follow him less is totally her making a decision. And sneaking off with her decidedly awful friend was barely her decision anyway. He showed up and grabbed her.
Oh, and isn’t that an example of simply poor decision making? He turned into a huge douchebag and assaulted her. So the message here is more like: She can’t make a decision without screwing it up.
actually, twice. once in the car and once on like a hill or a cliff or something in the woods. sorry, it’s been a while since i read them but i know it’s twice :/
twice, actually. once when he tries to force himself on her and once on a clifftop…. somewhere…
sorry, i read ‘em a while ago. i believe the second time was in theee…. second or third book, just after their sleeping bag cuddle session?
He forces himself on her the first time, on the beach, I think. Second time is in the third book, just before the big fight scene. It’s on the mountainside. Bella kisses Jake so that he won’t try kill himself in the fight (although it was a trick on his part, he didn’t plan to let himself be killed).
Good memory for someone who’s not a fan
you forgot “People who’s last name is Cullen and now can’t get away from all of the above…” >_<
Oh god that sux. I feel so bad for you.
Oh my Kami.
You deserve a medal if you’re not emo yet.
I’m not even joking, I WILL donate money to you for a name change. I feel really sorry. Stephanie Asshole should’ve at least chosen a name that is completely original and not occupied by anybody in the world, like Edward Thereallystupidemovampirethatthinkshe’scoolandsparklesinstedofburninginthedaylightandtakestheconceptofvampires,rapesit,murdersit,andpreformsnecrophiliaonthedeadnowterriblecorpse
Title confused me at first. Should be “People who hate Twilight”, OR graph labels should be changed from “People who have…” to “They have…”
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And believe me, I know all about the fans. I work in a bookstore. About half our staff are Meyer-addicts.
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A little while ago, our supplier was out of stock of the books. If I had a dollar for every person who either rang or came in to ask about the Twilight books, (or my personal favourite, “That vampire series… they just did a movie…”, from a Dad who had obviously been sent by his teenage daughter/s), then I could probably take the next two years off work.
Bleugh, i completely agree..i work in a department store, and we had sold out of the entire series for a week.
Gahhhhh.
and this was made by a Twilight fan, I’m presuming….
uhh no comment…
I love you so much.
I was going to go pick up a book of Twilight when it first came out (the book) and just as I reached for it, some Twilight fanatic ran up to me and said, “OH MY GOD YOU HAVE TO READ THAT BOOK!” And I said, “Yes, I’m going to.” She replied, “GOOD BECAUSE IT IS A GOOD SERIES ESPECIALLY WHEN EDWA-”
I hit her on the head with the book, put it back on the shelf, and walked away to go find something with an ounce of dignity.
You’re my hero.
aha! I can see your reluctance to read that after a reaction like that…the books used to be nice to read but then all these teenagers became obsessive and now its quite embarrassing to admit to reading them whatsoever *blushes*
Yup, too true *sigh*
I burned my copy.
i actually thought the movie was kind of okay
i was going to read the book but apparently i shouldnt lol
you shouldnt be ashamed of likin somethin just because the fans are a bit over the top. stand by your books :]
are you kidding? the movie sucked. the books were o.k., but they’re still over-rated
well nessa liked it and u don’t live nessa’s life so i wouldn’t worry about it…o.0
lol thats so true
funny how humanity has forgotten what the meaning of ‘opinions’ and ‘free will’ are :b
I liked the movie~
I liked how everything was so~ foggy and blue.. if that makes sense haha
me too, I really liked the way they filmed it with the blue/grey tint over the top.
the person you are referring to didn’t try to force their opinion on you, merely gave their own. your opinions and free will remain intact.
I don’t even know if I should get the books or not…
read the books. don’t see the movie
How about people who hate Twilight because they are fans of traditional vampires?
You know, the ones that burst into flames in the sun, possess no soul and actually kick ass?
Whatever you do, do NOT ever watch the movie The Hamiltons. It was one of the movies played during the first Horrorfest a few years ago. Some friends and I decided to go because we love horror movies and were promised “some of the most terrifying movies ever made”. Terrifyingly horrible was more like it. We sat through The Hamiltons for 2 hours, on the FLOOR because the theatre was oversold, only to find out it was nothing but melodrama about a teenage boy coming to terms that his family were a bunch of vampires. Except they weren’t traditional vampires in the slightest aside from the need to drink blood.
We only stayed to find out what the family actually was, and at the end we were ready to burn the reel so no one else in town would have to suffer through that garbage.
Like Lestat?
Like Dracula! He kicks some serious ass. I have every Dracula movie, I own the book, and I’ve read it 17 times.
Probably the worst moment of my life was when I was at school and said I liked vampires. That whole day people were telling me “I’ve never met a boy that liked twilight” and “OMGZ I LUVZ TWILIGHTZ TOO!” and I just said “The F***?”
Thank You!
are the people who have the read the book, seen the movie etc. the reasons other people hate twilight? or is the chart just badly labeled? I r confuzd.
the legend is badly labeled. the title is correct but the legend makes more sense after removing “people who have” from every label
The legend is fine, but the title is incorrect. If the title were something along the lines
of “demographic of people who hate twilight” or even just “people who hate twilight” it
would make sense.
Trust me on this – I’m a statistics nerd =P
It actually makes perfect sense. Most people haven’t read the books, and they hate Twilight because of the *people* who have read the book/seen the movie/etc. Not because of the books or the movie itself, but because of the people.
Agree and disagree. There is some interesting parts, but quite perdictable.
Teh mishy likes teh twilight…but not the fans..I am a fangirl at heart but..i contain myself :: nod nod nod:: but I agree completely really lol
says the weeaboo who just said ‘teh’ and roleplayed an action in the comment.
surely you’re in no way an annoying fangiril twunt.
sorry for the typos in the above post. I can type, I swear!
-prods- hey! i’m not weeaboo in any way/shape/form, but i still say “teh” for my “TEH CAEK IZ A LIEEEE!” segments, and i roleplayed an action above
although, fangirl twunts make me want to stomp babies.
I have a cousin who is a huge Twilight fanatic so I decided to read the book to see why she was all hot and heavy over some idiot named Edward. The first book was “meh”. Second book, I actually threw away.
Screw watching that movie, I can’t spend 2 hours watching some random girl go goo-goo-ga-ga over some “sparkly” boy.
The green section needs to be way bigger
I’d like all of the sections to be bigger, but pie charts only have 360 degrees.
*rolls eyes* why is everyone so obsessed with Twilight? And I’m not talking about the fan-girls/boys (yes there are fan boys…) but about people who comment on them. Let fans be fans, and just shut up about it. If you think the fans don’t have a life, well that’s your opinion, they at least think they’re filling it up with good entertainment….uggg….never mind anyway, not like anyone would understand or agree….
*goes to lolcats*
I totally agree. Let the fans be fans and shut up about it. Oh, and for the record there are just as many slowly aging lonely single late 20 somethings that are just as fanful and those tweens and young teens, girls and boys! I just couldn’t get into the books so didn’t watch the movie either. The Vampire diary series by L.J. Smith is a much more interesting series if you like that sort of thing.
No, you’re wrong. I agree with you. I’ve been a fan of things that are incredibly popular before and still am to an extent. The problem is that a lot of people have experienced negative situations involving fans either first hand of via a friend. It’s easier to complain about them away from their faces than it is when you are in the thick of it because things could go terribly bad. Myself, I’ve been harassed in a bookstore multiple times over this series. Since I frequent the sections where Twilight is located in my local bookstore, I get the fangirls constantly asking me if I’ve read the series. My response is always to their unliking, though I’m never rude about it. A simple “I tried, but I found them poorly written and had no desire to continue” should not be greeted with a “WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!” along with various vulgar insults and a scene that should honestly get people like that kicked out.
I was/am a huge Harry Potter fan. I was in the thick of it. I would call myself an obsessive fan, but I never berated anyone, or harassed them, or acted like a fool for the series I enjoy so much. The people around me who did, I was quick to tell them they needed to behave their age, not a 4 year old throwing a tantrum. To this day, I’ve only met 2 Twilight fans in person I would consider “down to Earth” people. I do hope there are more and they try to get their fellows to stop acting like children.
Yeah, I totally understand your point, there are some crazy fans out there, but that’s not only with Twilight. Name something someone could be a fan about and there will always be the crazyfans attached to it. Any celeb, any movie, any book, anything. Because Twilight is in the spotlight so much because of the movie coming out, you’ll notice more of Twilightfans then other fans, because they’re right there in your face. This are just the werid people, has nothing to do with Twilight…
Oh, I know. Which is why I mentioned Harry Potter. You won’t find the crazy uberfans for HP anymore unless you look really hard. It’s no longer as popular as it once was. Eventually, the same thing will happen to Twilight when the next insane craze comes around and the cycle will repeat itself. The same complaints, just a different thing they are going nuts for.
If you’re not an anime fan, be thankful. What we see with Twilight has nothing on anime fans, as the crazes changed so often. I’m so jaded by the whole thing. I really wish people would just respect opinions and stop arguing over what’s better and snubbing you for not agreeing. *rubs forehead*
Well tell you what, I like Harry Potter, I like the Twilight books (movie sux) and I like anime, whahahahahaha. yeah I know, but I like them, I’m not a huge crazy obsessed fan or anything
Help me, Orlana. I’m a 16 year old male. I am now expected to be, at all times, like Edward. I could both stalk and be distant/try to avoid a female, but now, they want both. At the exact. Same. Time. I live in constant fear that my entire generation will STAY this way. Oh, and it’s impossible to keep a girlfriend nowadays because they’ll always compare you to Edward
. Please help me gather up all the copies of it in the world, and burn them? It’s like zombies, even one will cause the infection to spread again 
(I was part of the HP craze too, is it just me or is the portion of uber-crazy Twilight fans larger than most series, possibly because of the whole “perfect guy” theme, that tweens desire so much, and believe the entire world should be like them?)
The reasons I wouldn’t post something like that are:
1) Nobody is ever, EVER going to listen
2) LolCats are awesome, but you don’t have to say you are going to them after a post
3) It’s actually really entertaining to read these comments
The books are okay (though overrated), but don’t watch the movie. It sucked. And I agree with A.S., there can be no real love between Edward and Bella. They were drawn to each other with Edward’s lust for her blood. And the fact that Meyer is making up her own characteristics for vampires is questionable. I like the books, and Jacob is the most sensible character in them.
how does sensible tranlate into forcing your friend to kiss you and trying to get them to leave their boyfriend because of your own selfishness? jacob is a douche!
Jacob is also the only non-one dimensional character in the series, which is why people like him so much.
amen.
you are so right, Jacob is a douche.
I agree, but I think the graph is all kinds of janky. It’s called “REASONS people hate Twilight,” and then all the options are categories of people, not reasons. My suggestion for a new graph title is “People who hate Twilight.” There, all fixed.
Oh, and I really liked Twilight, for the record. I melted like nacho cheese over Edward (like every other girl, right? lol) and I enjoyed that the love story was a bit slower paced than other romance stories. They didn’t get jiggy with it (na na na na na na na!) until the fourth book, which was a lovely change of pace from most romance novels…in which people get all the way down in the first five paragraphs.
“I melted like nacho cheese over Edward (like every other girl, right?…)”
No, WRONG. “Every” girl/woman does NOT “melt like nacho cheese” over Twinkly Vampire-boy. He’s an obsessive, abusive creep in a pretty-boy body.
No, me and my friend did not melt over Edward. He’s just a pretty boy with no depth, substance, intelligence or SOH. Boring. Shallow.
I completely agree with you Cat
It is an enjoyable romantic fluff novel.
Except New Moon; that just depressed me the first time I read it.
this is so true. haha. very funny too.
Agreed. ‘Nuff said. If you’ve seen them, we all have.
Make the green part a LOT bigger, PLEASE.
yes. please do.
Don’t forget the tiny wedge for
People who have friends who committed suicide and signed the note
I’m going to live in Twilight
– Bella
wow
that’s intense
Oh. My. God. Please tell me you’re not serious.
This is crap.
Oh–oh my gosh, that didn’t happen to you… did it?
If so, then I am so so so sorry. Losing your friend is bad enough, losing them because they committed suicide over a crappy book series is beyond horrific.
-gives you a hug-
If not, then I just made myself look like a major weirdo.
what i don´t understand is why people think Edward is a poster child for domestic abuse. what?!
i think the only reason that idea is out there is because people haven´t read the book. in my opinion, Edward did everything right and Bella was too much of an idiot to take care of herself. he kept her away from only ONE friend, a friend who makes advances on her all the time and is so unbelievably selfish, so it´s no surprise. he doesn´t keep her away from her family. bella does that all on her own. edward watches her sleep at night because bella wants him to be there and he doesn´t have the ability to sleep. honestly, in this context, how is it domestic abuse? this is not going to turn a bunch of girls onto bad relationships because the circumstances are unique.
Bella is the big idiot of the story. Jacob has the abusive undertones. Edward, other than the self-loathing, is pretty much perfect. The whole reason why I enjoyed the books was that for once I found a male lead who was attractive on all levels.
Because he did things that are classic examples of what abusive husband/boyfriend have done in multiple cases. The excuse of “I’m trying to protect you” is another example of classic abusiveness.
but that´s exactly what he is doing: protecting her, and he´s not hitting her or kidnapping her, so what´s the deal? the readers know perfectly well that there is no domestic abuse going on. it´s just stupid. just because someone is trying to protect you doesn´t mean they are abusing you or hitting you. it can also mean they care a great deal about your safety. if parents protect their children, does that make them abusive?
You don’t have to hit someone in order to be abusive. There’s a level of mental abuse that people so often forget. And there are PLENTY of readers who fully agree this is an abusive relationship.
Edward is controlling. He uses fear to control her. He encourages her to lie to her father. Half the lies that were told were completely unnecessary. He doesn’t allow her to make her own decisions. He isolates her. Just because he doesn’t like the people Bella chooses to associate herself with doesn’t mean it’s his right or duty to “protect” her from them. Plenty of the people I dated did not like my friends. Especially my male friends. It is not up to him to tell me I’m not allowed to see them. Jacob is the only real example you can give to his forcibly keeping her away from another person, but that’s only because she was never allowed to make friends because he started isolating her well before she was able to get close to anyone.
His leaving her is another example of control. I’ve been on the end of this type of abuse. It’s a way to break the individual, forcing them to feel they need their abuser in order to feel worth. My situation involved my ex suddenly pushing me away for no reasons, and for weeks he neglected me. I became afraid I had done something wrong though he claimed I hadn’t. He never explained to me why but swore it wasn’t me. But I started to worry about him and fretted over him constantly. But just as suddenly he was back to his old self, and finally claimed “I just had to see how much you cared about me.” This is horribly abusive, and that’s exactly what I see in Edward and Bella’s relationship.
The problem with this series is that despite how abusive this relationship is, it’s so overly romanticized and upheld as how this is the perfect relationship and how all women want to be treated. They want someone like Edward, but they have no experience with what abuse is outside of the most often publicized physical torment that they don’t see what he’s actually doing to Bella. But, as I said, there are plenty of people who’ve read this series who aren’t stupid enough to see this relationship anything than what it honestly is. I see nothing in this relationship that suggests Bella has any say whatsoever as to what happens to both of them. It’s Edward and him allow calling all the shots. This is not fair on any level.
Also, comparing a parent/child relationship to two individuals capable of making their own decisions is overreaching to make a point. The two relationships are not comparable when we are talking about protecting. A parent is well within their right to pop a child’s hand for trying to touch a hot burner, because the alternative is far worse. That’s protection. Nothing Edward did in any of the books was protection.
you must remember that this “abusive” behavior is only around for a small portion of the third book. bella is not isolated from her family or other friends. she hangs out with them a lot, and edward does nothing to stop that. leaving her was not meant to get her to come crawling back, like in your example, but to keep her safe. jacob is far more manipulative than edward is in the book. it seems that everytime they talk jacob is pushing bella´s buttons, even throwing out the “pity me” card so that she´ll kiss him. edward even tries to be compliant with him, but jacob continues to be childish and selfish. if you want to point figures at abuse, it would be right there. edward never uses fear to control her. if anything, he hides things from her so she won´t be afraid. and he doesn´t ask her to keep secrets from her father. it´s simply a necessity. please, stop picking apart a perfectly good character if you haven´t read the book. all those people out there you are talkign about who claim that edward is abusive clearly have not read it, because when you read it all, you´ll see how many times edward lets her do whatever she wants, and how jacob just toys with her mind.
“you must remember that this “abusive” behavior is only around for a small portion of the third book.”
Hey yeah, it’s only a LITTLE abuse! That makes it better!
“if anything, he hides things from her so she won´t be afraid.”
That’s controling someone’s environment, i.e. controling them. Which is a form of abuse.
i think it´s endearing. it´s not like he is just faking trying to protect her, when instead he´s just enslaving her, like you see in real abusive relationships. protecting your loved one is something to be admired, not scorned. anyone who thinks otherwise has no sense of romance.
*sighs* There’s no possible way you’re an adult making statements like that.
I pray for your future.
i am 22. unfortunately, it looks like my sense of romance is more deveoped than yours. i pity your future if it is so cold that anyone who tries to do right by you is holding you back.
You obviously don’t know what “does right by you” means.
I have a very strong sense of romance. What Edward displays throughout all the books I’ve been through first hand and I can tell ya, that ain’t romance.
would it be better if she just let her run off to be killed? would that have been romantic? i have worked at a safehouse and have seen first hand what abuse is all about, but being protecting does not directly translate into abuse. some people are just protective people. in this case, i think edward had ever right to do what he did, and he didn´t even hold out all that long. in the end, looking out for someone you love is important. when a friend or a family-member gets involved with drugs, you wouldn´t just look away, would you? no, you would do something about it. but since it´s a romantic relationship, suddenly you say that it´s abusive. what gives a parent a bigger right than your partner to take care of you?
I love the fact that you assume I’m sticking up for Jacob. Not once have I said “Jacob’s the perfect boy for Bella, OMG they are totally my OTP!!!!111″ It was never my intent or want to prove how he is somehow better for Bella. I’m not getting into a shipping war because it’s childish and I don’t care enough about any of these characters to care about who ends up with who.
Comparing one abusive character to another abusive character to make one the lesser of two evils is silly and you aren’t doing yourself any favors by trying to compare a character you love against a character you hate. Thumping on about all the questionable things Jacob’s done doesn’t change the fact that Edward’s done more and worse. It doesn’t suddenly change his behavior and somehow make it right. Your opinion is biased no matter what you do, and it’s hard to take your words for truth. Especially when coupled with statements like “all those people out there you are talkign about who claim that edward is abusive clearly have not read it”. How is anyone to take you seriously when you can’t bother accepting that there are people who’ve read the series, people who are FANS of the series, who are in full agreement that Edward is an abusive, manipulative individual. You don’t have to like this series for the romance. There’s plenty of other things in the books that grab people’s attention.
Here’s the simple fact of the matter. Nothing I say is going to change your mind. You’ve convinced yourself these books are perfectly written, with excellent character development, and your love for the characters is clouded by the fact that Edward is paraded around by the fans as “the perfect mate”. All I can hope for is that you are never put in the situation Bella has gotten herself into. May you never have a mentally abusive boyfriend, and if you do, may your love of these books clue you in to his mistreatment before it’s too late to get out of it with ease.
it just annoys me when people turn perfect behavior into abuse and then the people that do act abusive get off scott free. it´s an indication to me that people are either really screwed up or they haven´t read the book and are just recycling rumors they heard from someone else who just skimmed it.
my opinion is not biased. i find it frustrating that people can´t recognize romantic when they see it, or they turn it into something ugly.
that´s funny… i never said it was well written or that it had good character development. it´s horribly written and most of the characters sick. i only think one of them deserves praise.
neither i or any other girl can be put into this kind of situation because as far as i know boyfriend can´t protect their girlfriends from werewolves. this is a fictional world with fictional contexts. if you think that all protecting behavior boils down to abuse, then romance is totally lost on you. frankly, it´s lost on all society these days. it´s rather sad.
bah… and i thought my first comment was erased… oops.
“neither i or any other girl can be put into this kind of situation because as far as i know boyfriend can´t protect their girlfriends from werewolves. this is a fictional world with fictional contexts.”
*laughs* Wow, you have no idea what I meant by what I said in regards to being put in Bella’s situation. And you’re once again obsessed with Edward’s behavior solely in regards to Jacob. Yep, I REALLY have no reason to continue this with you.
But seriously, I really hope you never are in Bella’s situation, and if you ever are, you have the good sense to get out before you’re hurt too much.
oh gaaaawd… you could not slip farther away from my statements. if you honestly think that liking edward´s character means that i´m all for getting hit and isolated (something that didn´t happen in this book) then you´re nuts. there is no connection! i just hope you can find actual romance and not turn them away for wanting to protect you. this is just so… sad…
I have to agree with Orlana’s point of view.
Obviously the poster doesn’t mean an actual, literal, manifestation of Bella’s situation.
“perfect behavior” from Edward
pah… both of these characters are pathetic..
I’ve read the first three books twice, and I fully agree that Edward is abusive and manipulative towards Bella, and you cannot say that you are NOT BIASED then say “happen to think that edward did everything right and i have a hard time understand why what he does is abusive but jacob gets off scott free.”
Orlana has clearly pointed out in her posts that both of them have done wrong, and neither is right. Therefore, saying that Jacob is “getting off scot free” indicates that you haven’t read her post carefully enough to understand the underlying point.
I forgot the end bit of my post, but that’s okay, I think Orlana’s got it covered SOMEWHERE down here.
I completely agree. and to add on, Edward has no personality whatsoever.
Can I just say something about this discussion here?
Lololololol! Maybe I should read this book just so I can laugh at why people are getting in an argument about mental abuse. Christ.
i get all huffy about it because if people are taking a fictional book this seriously than i shutter to think how they react in real life. like every guy who´s romantic suddenly becomes a creep? it really upsets me that this is happening.
*shudder haha
If you get all huffed about it because you’re debating this book seriously, then I shudder to think how you react to trivial opposing opinions in real life.
considering that all romance in this society is going down the tubes, i don´t consider it trivial. romance has become more about consumerism, promiscuity, friends with benefits, and free time. and the stuff that ought to be praised gets shot down because suddenly it´s “weird”. by the time i´m ready to marry we´ll all have the emotional capacity of robots. pardon me, but i don´t consider this issue trivial in the least.
Kelly, Edward is an unrealistic relationship Mary-Sue, and Bella is a flimsy self-insert.
Their “love” most certainly should not be romanticized, because it is primarily based on physical attraction.
They fall in love nearly as instantaneously as Romeo and Juliet, but instead of it ending tragically, it ends up ridiculously well. Despite all the “lion fell in love with the lamb” and “forbidden fruit” comparisons, which don’t, in their counterparts, turn out particularly well, they are rewarded for their unhealthy relationship. This should not be romanticized or condoned, and considering I saw a nine year old closely hugging a copy of Twilight (God knows what will happen when she gets to book 4) it’s going to brainwash this generation.
I mean, you probably didn’t think a guy watching you sleep without your permission was romantic before reading this series, right? Or is it only if the guy is cute it’s permissible? A guy physically forcing you not to see your best (or only actual) friend who got you through your breakup with him, and brought you out of crushing depression, because he’s jealous?
Honestly, I think that you’re being very weird about this. You’re acting like Twilight was the only romantic book released in the last decade when nothing could be farther from the truth. This exact formula for romance has been recycled constantly with far more interesting characters, It’s not even the only vampire romance book released within the past five years.
“you probably didn’t think a guy watching you sleep without your permission was romantic before reading this series, right? Or is it only if the guy is cute it’s permissible?”
she knows about it. she´s fine with it. end of story. and cuteness has nothing to do with it. if you like the guy, it isn´t creepy, it´s cute. now if it was some random dude that she didn´t like, THAT would be creepy. plus, she wants him there and he can´t physically sleep, so what´s a guy to do?
“A guy physically forcing you not to see your best (or only actual) friend who got you through your breakup with him, and brought you out of crushing depression, because he’s jealous?”
please don´t act like he´s so great. this wasn´t about jealousy, this was about how dangerous jacob is and how manipulative he is. one thing that drove me crazy was that jacob talked to her like she was a damn baby and he has no right to interfere with her relationship because of his own selfish reasons. i´ll never understand why people think that jacob was so innocent. he had more abusive undertones than edward by far.
“You’re acting like Twilight was the only romantic book released in the last decade when nothing could be farther from the truth.”
what are you talking about? i´m perfectly aware of that. my problem is when people judge romances, even fictional romances, as if they were something bad.
it´s ridiculous to believe that this generation is going to be brainwashed by this book. it certainly doesn´t condon abusive relationships. plus, since these so-called “abusive” aspects are only there because of the fictional context of werewolves and vampires, i highly doubt this is something that people need to worry about in real life. worry about those average guys keeping their girlfriends away from other average guys for no apparent reason.
She didn’t know he was watching her at first. He explained how he had already been watching her before she even knew him. As for Jacob, he’s no more dangerous than Edward was when he had recently met Bella. She didn’t meet a gruesome end then, so why does Edward suddenly have a monopoly over who she’s allowed to see?
People have gotten violent over the book. There have been physical attacks, including people being shoved down stairs and legs broken, not to mention eyes being scratched out for this series. That part is unhealthy.
People judge this as a normal romance, and their views on relationships skew as a result.
Also, most people do not view normal romances as a bad thing unless they have bad things in them, like abuse or anti-feminism, which Twilight is riddled with. I’m not necessarily against the idea of the book, but more how it has been perceived.
Knew him? She saw him. And she hadn’t fully fallen for him yet. If she found him there, she’d be more than sufficiently creeped out.
The romance in Twilight is like the romance in Romeo and Juliet. Yes, I know that most people think that would be a compliment, but they are damn wrong. Never was Romeo and Juliet an ideal romance. People think it is, but that’s because they are only looking on the surface, and that’s how the entirety of Twilight was written: a romanticized Romeo and Juliet, as redundant as it sounds.
And society DOES care about romance. That would be why there has been so very many romance novels, movies, series, plot devices, and daydreams. Twilight is a certain type of romance, the type with an overprotective boy who could at any time kill his loved one, a guy who is also a Marty-Stu, the character type most looked down upon by regular authors and people who have not exactly been “dazzled” by Edward and his sparkly “perfectness”.
And then Bella is a retarded shell of a character who seems to have the sole purpose of narrating Edward’s handsomeness and getting in trouble that only he can save her from.
I’m all for people finding romance, but that romance shouldn’t be the unrealistic and unfortunate “romance” condoned in Twilight, where neither person really knows the other person because there’s nothing to know about them.
As for the Jacob thing, whatever. At least he has character enough to act more or less human. Jealousy and lust and such.
There is really no argument for Twilight that can’t be shot down. Unfortunately, the exact opposite holds true for the arguers.
Thank you, Eaver.
Really, you shouldn’t have to argue a guy stalking ANYONE is wrong. I’ve been the creepy guy route before (never as far as Edward, of course.) I’m fully functional now, but I used to have a lot of emotional problems- however, no matter what, I always knew any form of STALKING was WRONG. Watching someone in their room, watching someone via satellite, keeping constant tabs on someone’s location? No matter what, that isn’t right or healthy. I’m not going to comment besides saying I agree with the rest of your post Eaver, this thread has made my hands too tired (literally- and i used to play video games on the computer 6 hours a day.)
Clearly you have never seen such romantic films as Benny and Joon. Most of us have a good sense of romance, thank you. Or we have the magic of Disney for all those “love at first sight” stories that never actually happen. Or the million and one romance novels about virgins falling in love with older experienced men, included The Carpathians series which is equally as badly written as Twilight however its realistic in that the characters actually do it before marriage.
Actually a few weeks ago I read an article that a lot of couples in counselling have really misguided beliefs about romance that they pick up from movies, like “all you need is love” or “he should just know if I’m upset without me telling him”, and so on and so forth.
Oh, I forgot to mention, if you remove the sex scenes out of The Carpathains, you have Twlight XD
i have seen it, thank you very much, and i loved it, but it wasn´t nearly as romance as the twilight books (there was a seriously lacking in the movies). romance does not automatically equal the kind of abuse you see in counselling. it equals spending time together, personal sacrifices, and looking out for each other. couples dno´t look out for each other anymore. i think it´s weird that a parent is allowed to interfere with their child´s life if it is destructive but if a partner does it, it´s abusive. that makes no sense.
i wasn´t just referring to minors, you know. when children grow up they are still the children of their parents, and they are still given the right to interfere in their lives when they are doing something destructive (even if the parents are not very good parents). however, if a partner does i, it´s deemed abusive. that is retarded. what gives a parent more right to step in? also, edward is still 17.
siiiigh i´m not talking about legal matters here, so stop bringing that up. regardless of the law, if a parent steps in when their child is doing something dangerous, society doesn´t say it´s a bad thing. they think it´s good parenting. now if a partner does the same thing, it´s somehow wrong. it´s that mentality that i don´t understand.
it´s just ridiculous when people call him a pedophile when he hasn´t been aging for quite some time. call him 104 if you want, but you ignore that he hasn´t aged physically for about a century. as far as i´m concerned, age isn´t determined by the passing of years as much as physical growth.
“age isn´t determined by the passing of years as much as physical growth.”
…. I’m not sure how to respond to that, besides the fact that it’s beyond shallow. Age is how many years you’ve seen, experienced, how old you ARE, how much life you’ve lived. AGE is a measurement of EXPERIENCE and time spent on the Earth, not how old you look.
Substitute the band Rush for Twilight and the results are nearly the same.
Huh? ‘Rush’ the book? ‘Rush’ the movie? I like Rush! Oh wait, I am a tool though…
My first thought about Twilight was… “vampires? again? really? ok… but are they gay vampires?”
Anne Rice has the monopoly on that one and she’ll sue in a heartbeat if you tread on her territory. >.>
How about “People who had never heard of it until last month and are sick of hearing about it?”
I dunno. I think, from reading all these comments, and yes, I read all of them, cause I got free time like that, that there are some really elitist people on GraphJam.
It is my personal opinion that this site combines something with a generally serious application, like Graphs and Charts, with something not-so-serious, and really subjective, like people’s opinions, and their whimsy.
So what if a lot of the charts aren’t comedy gold? So what if they aren’t funny? They made it on the front page cause enough people could relate to the content of the chart to give it a score that qualified it for the front page.
Being that I don’t really care for how logically correct a chart is, if the axis is wrong, or there is a spelling mistake somewhere, I must say, even though it’s not really funny, I can relate to the content. I hate Twilight, for all them reasons, and then some.
/endrant
You missed one! Highly clingy girlfriends calling their boyfriends their “Edward”. God, I hate it when she does that T_T
Please tell me you’re joking? She doesn’t -really- do that….does she?
To my great dismay, the love of my life has called me ” My Edward” on many occasions. It’s a little embarrassing, how raging her fandom can get, but what is a man to do? I did draw the line when she suggested I sprinkle glitter over myself so we could Role Play a “hanky-panky” scene from Breaking Dawn.
-sigh-
It’s a sad ordeal, when I’m slightly jealous of a fictional character… T_T
You are definitely a man in love to deal with that. All the best of luck to you. Hopefully the obsession will die down quickly. *pats*
Tell her you’ll roleplay on the condition that you get to do the C-Section by teeth bit too.
that´s rather creepy… ugh… fangirls.
I feel the pain, man. Similar things here, but never so far as to actually refer to me by a name not my own, one for a fictional character. Also, with the glitter, you should be drawing the line WAY before that, my friend
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Should be a slice in there for Matt Wiggins from LoadingReadyRun….
If I were a vampire, I would rather burn to death than sparkle.
Dude, you are so amazing I fell in man-love a bit when I read that.
Alucard Tepes – Vampire
Tinkerbell – Fairy
Alucard Hellsing – Vampire
Jesus Christ – Son of God
Dracula – Vampire
Nosferatu – Vampire
The Cullens – Zoophiliacs (sexually attracted to other species (humans!)) covered in glitter
Any questions?
Nope:
Nosferatu = pure monster
Dracula = luring the human victim so he can eat her
Alucard = attracted to Seras Victoria, who he turned INTO a vampire.
Get your story straight, moron.
“moron,” says the person hiding behind the OP’s username? I don’t know, I think that’s pretty damn hypocritical, if not hilarious.
You may be right about Alucard, but considering that in the novel, Dracula was essentially like Nosferatu— hairy palms, bald, not at all a seducer other than his amulet’s power— I’d think that seduction is a very good strategy for a vampire to use … “moron”.
and people who like harry potter and think vampires are for sissies!
not necessarily true. i happen to know quite a few twilight and hp fans.
It’s more like I was too lazy to read the book and read all the spoilers. And then met the fans.
U.S.A. Out of Liechtenstein !!
yes! THE US HAS UNFAIRLY CONTROLLED POINTILLISM FOR FAR TOO LONG! LIBERATE POP-ART NOW!
OH, wait, i misread that.
YES THE US. HAS UNFAIRLY USED THE SWISS FOR BANKING AND TAX HAVENS FOR FAR TOO LONG, LIBERATE THE SWISS FROM FISCAL OPRESSION, HOW DARE THEY MAKE MONEY FROM BANKING!
I personally love the series, and have read all the books multiple times. I think they are very well written, there are some great characters, and while the whole premise is a little silly, they’re great when you want to lose yourself in a novel for a couple hours. Jacob is not the only non-one-dimensional character in the series; there are several dynamic characters, and they are very well developed. The other reason that I love the books is that they are getting kids to read! I’m an English teacher, so I’m all for books that get my teenage students to read, even if they aren’t reading the ‘classics’ – at least they’re reading! All that being said, I got a good laugh out of this graph (ignoring the title/legend mishap, that is) because, like fans of anything, Twilight fans are a little (okay, a lot) nutzo. I like the books, I like the characters, yet I realize that these are FICTIONAL characters, and Edward is not going to climb through my bedroom window, thank God. Though my husband would love seeing what his guns would do to anyone who attempted that… Many Twilight fans seem to fail to comprehend that these stories are not real, and their obsessive love for a sparkly fictional character is going to ruin any chance they have at a normal relationship. And that’s just sad. So, love the series or hate the series, but once you put the book down, continue living in the real world.
such a thing happens with anything popular. not all the twilight fans are like that, such as myself, but there are always people bound to lose themselves. they need that escape from reality.
Not all reading is good reading. If they’re going to be reading anything what-so-ever, I’d slam The Outsiders, Harry Potter, Marley & Me, or Sister’s Choice down on their desks, run away with the Twilight they had in their hands, and throw it in the incinerator. Guess what? I’m studying to be an English teacher, too. I’d be eternally unhappy if I found any of my students reading crap like Twilight.
/hug.
was that deliberate or accidental?
Gotta love it, “eternally unhappy” to find a student reading (what is a sad attempt at) a vampire book
I read the first book. My initial reaction was that it was pure fluff-fic self-insert fangirly tripe. I didn’t hate it, but I didn’t like it either. This was before the wave hit.
I go to an all girls school, so when the wave hit, it hit HARD.
You can’t walk three feet without hearing the words ‘Twilight’, ‘Cullen’, ‘Jacob’, ‘Edward’, etc.
A really bloody fight recently broke out in the school parking lot over Twilight. Apparently, Team Edward and Team Jacob were having a debate and the girls started throwing punches. Two girls got broken noses.
There are Twilight posters EVERYWHERE. The library loves it because it makes the girls ‘read’. If you call that tripe reading. If you so much as complain about it, people try to hit you.
Anything that makes my friends fight like this is not healthy. Please make the madness stop!
/facepalm
wow… that´s insane… literally.
They forgot “all of the above and more”
You forgot…people that have brains.
Best graph I’ve seen on this site.
I work in a book store, and the “Breaking Dawn” party was scary. Gives the goths an excuse to dress like goths though.
Teens (especially the pre-teens) should not be showing that much flesh. It’s creepy, to say the least.
(sorry for the double post)
Oh…so very true.
please… no more comments from people who haven´t even read it. i swear half the comments i hear out there didn´t even happen in the book.
so true…
bella attempts suicide: wrong
edward keeps her away from friends and family: wrong
jacob is sexually attracted to their daughter: WRONG
renesmee has no choice: wrong
edward abandoned bella: wrong
bella is a typical teenager: wrong
vampires aren´t allowed to sparkle: why the hell not?
oops. this was meant to be a response to you, Kelly
“vampires aren´t allowed to sparkle: why the hell not?”
Oh, sure, they’re allowed… just don’t expect them to be taken seriously in the face of, y’know, credible vampires.
And just so you know, I read every single book. Most painful month of my life.
what makes a vampire credible? they´re fiction!
Credible is not limited to non-fiction.
http://www.articlesbase.com/non-fiction-articles/good-fiction-is-credible-fiction-37335.html
An author or story is credible when it is obvious that there is a certain amount of research and forethought accompanying the mythos that the writer is choosing to delve into. When it’s something as well-know and well-loved as vampire mythology, to remain credible to the audience, the author should at least know a little of what she’s talking about.
Note to Stephanie Meyers, “knowing what you are talking about” doesn’t mean googling vampires one night because you had a sexy dream involving Brad Pitt after you fell asleep watching Interview with a Vampire (she obviously didn’t see all of it, just drifted off at the beginning. ‘Pretty… people… vampires… *snore*’)
Thanks for that
. and to the original comment poster whom Chekur and I are nesting upon, BELLA ATTEMPTS SUICIDE. I read the books two YEARS ago and remember that. Jumps off a cliff, FFS.
Bella isn’t attempting suicide. She saw other people jumping off the cliff as a sport and decided to try it herself. I’ve seen scarily high diving boards at swimming pools, which people apparently enjoy jumping off of. Similar concept.
Bella was just an idiot for trying it alone. I would never go into the sea without someone around to help me if something goes wrong.
The word “credible” is not limited to non-fiction.
When any author is delving into a well known and well loved mythos, such as the mythology of the vampire, they need to have shown that they put work and research into the topic beforehand. It’s about respecting the already established “rules” of that genre, but at the same time putting your own “touch” or “spin” on the story. For example, True Blood, a new series about vampires on HBO (highly recommended, if you like things that are, y’know, good), it is obvious that the writers of the show (and the book before that) know what they’re talking about. There’s a consistancy with the vampires in their story and the ones we know – but just enough so as to make it easier for the audience to accept the new possibilities of additional material. Vampires in True Blood are still susceptible to sun, and silver. However, the creaters saw fit to remove the garlic aspect of the story, and removed the ability to turn into bats. That’s credible fiction.
And just a note to all those who will inevitably say that Stephanie Meyers DID in fact research her books: googling vampires late at night because you fell asleep watching Interview with a Vampire and thought they were hot does not a researching session make.
how does any mythical canon come to be that way? someone writes a story, and a lot of people like it. it´s just that simple. changes in literature happen all the time and one change isn´t more credible than another. i don´t see why vampires have to remain the badass soulless creeps when they can just as easily have heart and restraint. and heaven forbid they sparkle! is that really so horrible? or is everyone too homophobic to look past glitter? so you don´t maintain the monster vampire image… big deal.
“i don´t see why vampires have to remain the badass soulless creeps when they can just as easily have heart and restraint.”
Yes, because those don’t exist AT ALL. Interview with a Vampire, True Blood, 1992 Bram Stoker’s Dracula, Angel … let’s just discount all of those, yeah?
“and heaven forbid they sparkle! is that really so horrible? or is everyone too homophobic to look past glitter? so you don´t maintain the monster vampire image… big deal.”
The sparkling is ridiculous, but far from their worst problem. The problem is the shoddy characterization. These vampires have no real weaknesses. Gorgeous? Check. Live forever? Check. Will die without human blood? Not really, they can survive on animals. Strong? Check. Have random powers that make no sense? Check.
Weaknesses in supernatural beings are a necessity. You need SOMETHING to connect them to humanity when they’re off leaping through trees and looking like marble-skinned gods. How else would Edward’s brooding make any sense whatsoever? “I’m such a monster! Don’t look at me! I’m an awful horrible excuse for a living being! I mean, yeah, I’m hot, live forever, can do things way better than I did before, can go out in sunlight, AND don’t have to kill people, BUT I’M STILL A MOOONSTER!”
There’s no weight to his emotions because he’s a “perfect being” complaining about being perfect. Ridiculous.
the flaw given in the stories is that they can never live normal lives, which i think is a legitimate reason to be upset, and they can be destroyed… via tearing them into pieces and setting them on fire (don´t really understand how that works, but….).
Those are not flaws, thats them being flawless and being emo about it.
being emo implies that you are overreacting. i think it would suck to never be able to interact with people outside your own family and never being able to go out into sunlight. being emo is what happens when “no one understands you” or “the world is dark and bloody” is happening.
no, emo is short for emotional, and they sort of are overreacting if u think about it…. i also think that would suck, but think about the pros and cons of vampirism vs. humanism.
Not being able to interact with normal people? In exchange for immortality and super powers? Thats not too bad. And its not like they die in the sun, is it?
I have had this idea on my mind for a while, and I think that it might be a good one:
The Cullens are not vampires. They’re not. They drink blood, but that’s pretty much the only thing they have in common with other vampires. And they can drink animal blood, so even that barely holds water. Au jus loving superheroes is what they are. And they don’t even have the “save random civilians through vigilante justice” thing down.
You can call them vampires on the surface, but it’s like in the last book. The werewolves aren’t really werewolves. They’re “spiritual shape-shifters”.
Also, according to Smeyer’s explanation of why they sparkle, it shouldn’t matter if they’re under the sun or under florescent lights, they should just be sparkling all the time. (She says their cells are made of diamonds or something like that. I swear to your god.)
no way.. just no way.
this woman is so pathetic it makes me wish i could just crawl under a rock and die, if that’s supposed to be a member of my species.
There should be a small percentage on there for the people pissed at the usage of an epic Muse song in the suckiest scene in the movie.
Anyways, love the graph. I make up the red and orange sections.
I LOVE Supermassive Black Hole. The scene was so badly edited.
And baseball? Who got out THAT idea?
THAT IS SO TRUE,
everyone at school is like “OOH, THAT’S THAT SONG FROM THAT BASEBALL SCENE !!!! OMG I LOVE IT BUT I HATE EVERY OTHER MUSE SONG !!!!!1!!”
I could stab them in the eye with a pencil :S
Yes, please do that. For all the real Muse fans
YES. THANK YOU.
I hate it only because I am surrounded by obsession!
i enjoyed it more than any other vampire book. it wasn´t well written but the characters were more interesting. i can´t really relate to a mindless beast who just goes around shagging and/or killing everything.
Well now I wouldn’t say that. A little sex is good in a book…
…or alot. Hm, maybe I should read vampire books.
but they dont even have fangs, they just have venom in their teeth if i remember correctly
in the draft of the first book in edward´s point of view, he mentions that he has fangs, but in the regular books, it says that they don´t. meyer lacks consistency.
/squeeze.
vampires with personality and/or awesomeness intertwined FTW!
Did you ever watch the Angel series? I didn’t find it as good as most, but i did like the characters in it and the ending
Fan girls ruin everything. I liked twilight… when twilight was the only one she had written. after that… pleh.
yeah, all the fangirls have taken all the fun out of being a fan. now i like twilight so i get grouped with all those wackjobs who edward would hate too if he were real.
i have to say that i am one of the aforementioned fans…but i thought this was hilarious.
so here’s the breakdown of how i liked (or to be more precise-DIDN’T like) the twilight craze.
before i even knew that a movie was to be made or that it was even popular yet, my friend let me borrow the first book because she said it was, “the best book ever written, and once you read about edward and how perfect he is and blah blah blah…ect.”
i didn’t even get twenty pages into the book before my eyes started bleeding. the writing was slow and boring, the characters were one-dimensional and full of angst, and the plot made no sense to me.
sometime later that same friend invited me to go see the movie with her. I decided that maybe a movie would spark my interest better than the book would. i will admit that the movie had its good parts, but overall i did not care for it. also i had the extreme (dis)pleasure of going to see it on opening night. (it was a very bad idea) The noise level of the girls in the theater nearly caused me to lose my hearing when edward walked on screen.
and finally for about a month after seeing the movie all- that’s right ALL- of my female friends would not shut up about how they wanted to meet their “edward” or “carlisle” and how it was so romantic of a story. honestly i can’t take it anymore, and i can’t wait for the next craze to step in. hopefully it will be a little bit better
and also i guess that means i fit nicely into all four categories on the graph. yay i win!
Twilight sucks. There’s no getting around it.
Don’t try comparing it to Harry Potter; Harry Potter is like God to Twilight.
Harry Potter was lame. God = Twilight.
harry potter was so lame. kiddy stuff
exactly
u ppl have some serious issues. HP was so amazing, i cant even adequately describe my love for it . u might think that im like an obsessive fan or something (which is actually true) but the books are legitimately 1,000 times better
They’re written better.
So are Six Flags pamphlets.
Excuse me?! KIDDY STUFF?! Obviously you didn’t read the whole series. The books are far from “Kiddy stuff”; the seventh book doesn’t even fit the description of “Kiddy stuff”!
So, read the rest of the books and tell me if they’re all “Kiddy stuff”!
i have read all of them. the last books qualify more for older children, but in the beginning, totally kid stuff. the author figured out that the target audience was shifting.
the characters were also aging so no duh it got a bit more mature. to add on, i was 6 when i first read the first 3 HP books. NOT “KIDDY STUFF”. i had nightmares for nights after i finished the first book. and things like that don’t usually bother me. the fisrt movie is still the only one that has any part that scares me and im 13. my parents and tons of other adults also love them as legit books, not just “Kiddy Stuff”
well of course it would scare a child, and honey, if you´re 13, you´re still a kid, so if it still scares you, that´s no surprise. and adults are allowed to like kid stuff. i still am a huge fan of dr. seuss and sesame street, but if you look at the writing style and the details of the plot, it´s clearly meant for children.
and a novel about an abused one-dimesional perfect princess girl who meets a vampire (IN HIGHSCHOOL) who doesn’t die from sunlight, has no fangs, and sparkles. The girl ends up having a vampire baby in her teens (cuz shes so matrue u see) which would normally kill her so they make her a vampire, and live happily ever after, but don’t worry they give the infant to the werewolf which will grow up to be exactly like bella so he wont be lonley so everyone wins.
how the hell is Twilight not kiddie stuff?
Yes, because people getting killed by an evil wizard army similar to the Nazi party is kiddy stuff *rolls eyes*
If God were a whiny, 17 year old virgin…
Reasons people hate Twilight:
It exists.
HAHAHAHA. *high five*
I absolutely love Twilight but I agree, those teenage screaming girls are annoying as hell. 0_0 They need to grow up.
Personally, I am a harry potter fan and twilight fan.
I love twilight, I also love the fact she changed the mythology, it was new, something hard to comeby in stories involving ‘classic monsters’. And it is established through out the novel that they aren’t like the ‘past’ of what ever you want to call them, vampires.
I also see other points of veiw, no book will suit everyone, it’s just impossible, and i really sympathise for those who have it forced upon them. But I am how ever getting slightly annoyed at all the stereotypes. I classify myself as a fan as I have read the books multiple times and seen the movie, but I don’t do any of the crap everyone whinges about, and it really annoys me when people accuse me of it, there is a grey area of twilighters called ‘normal human beings with a grip on reality’. Yes the obsession is insane, but like every other highly commercialised product, it’s going to happen, and no obsession is ever rational anyone(I personally don’t get anything to do with star wars).
What I think is the sadest part about the twilight fan girls is that when you even mention it, people ASSUME your a fangirl, not a fan. It’s annoying, and sad how obsessed they are. I read and love books to escape into a new world. Which is what it is. A different world. And when I stop. It’s reality. I would never want to be a character from a book. Or date one or anything. It’s creepy.
Although the relationship is unrealistic, its not abusive. Bella always has the option to leave, an she is in love with EDWARD, not his looks. If she wanted looks she could have just as easily infatuated herself with one of the other cullen boys.
I love the graph though, it is so true, though there should be a group titled ‘people who date/live with obsessed fans’
Oh btw, sorry about the rant, this has been bugging me for ages ha ha
Your post just sums up everything I wanted to say. I love the books, I re-read them every now and again, but I would never want to be a vampire. I wouldn’t want a relationship like theirs and I don’t believe there can be perfect romance in real life, but that’s what romance novels are for. It’s nice to live it for a while and then get on with your life.
amen.
DARE YOU MAKE FUN OF TWILIGHT!!!!!!!!!
I just came tosee people make cracks at the graph name, only saw one though:/
First three books were ok, clawed my eyes out after the first 10 pages and skimmed till Bella stopped whineing
watched the movie so i could diss it to, cant diss what you havent tried…
sucked, I heard they are remakeing the fourth from a different point of view…lame
put me in all of the above, but it was an interesting read, passed like an hour of my day i’d have used sitting on my ass doing other pointless things
so, i’ve read harry potter and twilight. All the books. Harry potter was well written and fun to read, movies weren’t horrible either. Twilight, bookwise, was averagelly written but if developed could be great. Characters were alrght. But I AM damn sick of the Twitots running amuck. Honestly, the movie was horrible directed. Kristen stewart can be described plainly; emotionless. Robert pattison was fine( though if gaspard ulliel was younger, he would have been perfect). Jacob blake was the only appropriate casting choice, besides emmet and charlie.
I couldn’t agree more (although I’ve never seen Gaspard Ulliel in anything so I couln’d really say and I think the Carlisle was casted well)
this is what i heard in the school cafeteria all year: “blah blah blah edward blah blah blah jacob blah blah bella blah cullen” I ****ING HATE THAT STUFF comment if you agree
All of the above for me. Blech. The only real pull of those books was the suspense. Now that’s over, I really don’t care anymore. On the other hand, even though Angel was cancelled five years ago, I shall ever remain an avid, swooning, potentially dangerous Angel fangirl. So much more hardcore (and attractive and layered and amusing and justified in his brooding and *believable*) than Edward, and he does it without being shiny and as ludicrously indestructible as Superman. Plus, he’s not eternal jailbait.
Angel is sexy
and that’s coming from a straight dude
in an i-wish-i-was-that-damn-awesome way, of course.
Ha ha. I love Angel-character, im only mid-season 3 of buffy (shame me I know).
He’s gorgeous, i LOVE
Even though I laughed in the movie where he ‘smelled’ her and when they touchd in the car (come one, seriously, its funny), I still love the movie, they captured the main points, I personally wished they included the bit about blood testing though but anyway, it could have been worse. I swear, i could have turned out like storm breaker, where about the only connection to the books was the name!!
sorry, I forgot to add that I changed to twilight half way through the comment ha
Sooooooo true.
im guessing that whoever made this stupid graph is a male
twilight is awesome
I love it how you assume that the person who made this was a guy. Go read an actual book you twat.
I agree. Though one of my strange male friends loves it.
You all suck. Twilight rocks, end of story.
If you don’t like it, you have no imagenation, and I suggest that you shove it somewhere very painful.
No offense.
If I don’t like Twilight, I have no imagination?
What if I thought Harry Potter and the Chronicles of Narnia were decent, and just thought Twilight was for horny little goth kids?
Do I have an imagination now, Mr. Imagination Expert?
“Twilight was for horny little goth kids”
I don´t really understand why people picked that up. the characters in the books dress and act like normal people, not like models for hot topic.
Goths are fans of Siouxsie And The Banshees and The Cure, and typically dress like they are fans of it, most goths can’t stand Hot Topic (see South Park episode: Ungroundable). Also tend to be fans of vampire literature but thats hardly necessary, however it is the stereotype.
hahahahhahah, how does a badly-written book determine my imagination level?
i’m a big fan of fantasy, but these characters SUCK, at least compared to my standards.
Imagenation? Is that English? Learn to spell.
No offense.
HP, Narnia, Tolkien (which, although u didnt mention falls into the same basic category) are all good books. i happen to like(ish) Twilight and ‘classics’ if u will (i havnt read many–im 13– but im trying to read only the ‘classics’ this year and am currently reading all of the Jane Austen books and read Gone With The Wind before) but it does encourage kids to read, even if its not *great* lit. i also doubt (correct me if im wrong) that anyone would not read a ‘classic’ just because it didnt hav any fantastical creatures. a lot of ppl do lik all types of books and i think the whole Twilight phase is just that, a phase, and will pass soon enough (lik HP did…unfortunately)
Just a personal recommendation, Jane Austen and Gone With The Wind are terribly boring ^_^ May I suggest Jules Verne and Oscar Wilde instead?
I’m a Tolkien fan. Only person in my family who read the WHOLE Silmarillion and all the books.
Dunno why I just said that, but…
i read it too
I really like Twilight, to be honest, but I also love making fun of it.
It’s got an okay storyline that I like reading, but it’s nothing special.
The Twilight entry on the uncyclopedia made me lul so hard.
Again I must reject the stereotype that people who like Twilight are 12. Or have no taste in literature.
I am a huge fan of David Eddings, Clive Cussler, Mathew Rielly,Tolkien, C.S Lewis etc.
I also loved Brave New World, and To kill a mocking bird and I am so sick of people assuming that if you read twilight, you have no taste, have unrealistic views on the world and are a squealing girl ugh!!
I know twilight is not suited for everyone, and some points in the story are very out there, but it is fiction you know. What I love about Twilight is, that when ever I pick it up, I am completely drawn into it, enthralled, lost in it. I love any book that can capture me in its world for hours. But I am not above mocking it, I mean seriously, sparkling vampires? A person with an ‘appealing’ scent. It’s almost a funny concept. But so are Wizards who can cast spells with out speaking, a magical cupboard to another world, a ring with so much power that everyone must hold it. I believe that alot of peoples issues with the twilight are the screaming twidiots running around.
So you’ve read other books, books with meanings and messages might I add, if you couldn’t see the moral of To Kill A Mocking Bird or the Jesus Saves message in Narnia.
That doesn’t mean you can recognize a good book from a bad one. What’s Twilight’s message? “Possessive boyfriends are cool if they’re good looking and sparkle?” Its pulp junk literature, something to read when you don’t want to think critically and just want to read for the sake of reading, however I think Danielle Steele already has this niche.
the message is that non-possessive boyfriends are cool if they love you and take care of you and you don´t have to be a whore to get that kind of guy”. positive message, i think.
Not really. A positive message would be “you can take care of yourself, your life doesn’t have to revolve around a 104 year old man you just met.”
the assumption that she is fully dependent on him in false. evidence of that comes in the second and the third book especially. but what´s wrong with wanting to be with the one you love most of the time? that seems pretty typica<l to me.
The only problem with that is that the huge majority of Twilight readers are female. So the message is sent to people who, generally, think like that anyway. Doesn’t that just make the fans more demanding of potential boyfriends? And doesn’t that get a lot of people’s hopes up for their own personal Edward?
PROTIP: Books you are forced to read in school don’t count. Neither do authors that you namedrop to try and look intelligent, because you probably heard other, smarter people pretentiously going on about it.
your ‘taste’ is for twilight. you like books that by all reason is terrible.
Considering Edward never had sexual feelings for any girl until Bella, they might not be very far off.
hey, he very well could have. unfortunately, he can´t have sex with any girl he sees because she´ll end up dead. what a crap life!
Have you read Breaking Dawn? they most likely wouldn’t die.. But it’s okay, we all know he wouldn’t want to.
For the people who say that Twilight inspires kids to read:
It doesn’t. It inspires them to read more Twilight, not other books.
not true. it might inspire them to read other fantasy books which in turn could inspire other books. i personally read and enjoyed the twilight books even though i knew they were junk, i liked losing myself in the books. i also like reading other books, other fantasy, other romance, and other books that have absolutely nothing in common.
it inspires me to look for books worth reading, once i´m done with all the twilight books, of course
Im on of the good fans u should see my friends god they love it
do not say u hate it near them coz u will get ur butt kicked lol
you typed that statement out with your thumbs, and no punctuation, and abbreviated you as ‘u’. You are NOT one of the good fans. (because there aren’t any.)
Books dont have to be about messages. I see the morals in the books I read, and in twilight, i see that a ‘plain’ average jane girl can find the love of her life. And that ‘hot’ boys don’t always date the ‘hot’ girls.
Good books don’t have to have a giant message. A good book is one that can keep your attention. Not everyone can be insightful enough to read books with messages, and it is important that there are books out there that can capture your attention, with out having some deep message out there.
And it does encourage reading. It certainly did with my sister. I am happy about any ‘junk’ she reads, as long as she is reading. If a kid enjoys a series of books, they may decide to read others, because they enjoyed that book. Would you rather that they didn’t read any books at all, just because you happen to dislike the book?
She says “I’m not pretty like those other girls” and then goes on and on about how beautiful she is, so she’s only a “plain jane” in personality. Its more of “you can be as unhealthly obsessive over much older men as you want”.
Good books don’t need a message (Stephen King anyone?), but a good book needs to be well written, well thought out, intriguing, and original. Meyer has none of those, she read Dark Gold and put a chastity belt on the vampires until they got married because it probably offended her Mormon senses otherwise.
“She says “I’m not pretty like those other girls” and then goes on and on about how beautiful she is”
no way! she complains endlessly about how normal she is. she never actually believes herself t be pretty, until she becomes a vampire. it´s really annoying, actually. i was disappointed in the casting for bella. i was expecting someone more average looking. it kind of takes away from the wholesomeness of their relationship when she´s pretty.
Best book ever, Lord of the Flies
that´s quite an assumption. i´m none of those things. i just hate it when people criticize a book they clearly haven´t read, or manipulate it into something bad. please don´t group every fan into the crazy high school girls. we can respect the book and still be normal people.
i liked twilight when i first read it. then i met other fans and i ran for the hills. I personally know a girl who dumped a guy cause he wasn’t “Edward”. I told her, “Thank heavens for that, cause if he was like Edward I’d be frightened for your safety.”
Fangirls freak me out. Fanboys are worse.
jesus… that´s so unbelievably stupid. if people honestly think they are going to find edward just roaming around anywhere, they are insane. he´s a fictional character. i´ll bet there is no one out there who is exactly like him.
:/ i think you know my ex, liv.
If she wants to be bella, you should be frightened for her safety too.
I know where she is coming from with that pretty remark, she looks at herself and sees how she can be pretty, but no guys show interest so therefore she sees herself as unattractive, its classic teenager behaviour.
To you Meyer has none of those, to me I find the book intriguing, and a one of a kind to me because I rarely find books that absorb me that much. I’m not saying it’s the best book in the world, because there is no such thing, no one can write a book that suits everyone, there will always be a percentage of people who feel the way you do about Twilight.
actually, everyone shows interest in her when she arrives at forks, so it´s kinda weird that she would still consider herself ugly.
Years of low self-esteem aren’t conquered with sudden interest. And the scene where she describes herself is before she starts school.
I don’t see why people actually LIKE this series. Bella’s a whiny little f—tard, and everyone else is just a f—tard. It’s illogical.
it´s about the fairy-tale, die-hard, unconditional romance, not intelligence. but you are correct. bella is a total idiot.
My language arts teacher loved the books so much that she made all of her students read it. We took tests on it and everything. She got a bunch of girls into it and now my best friend is a screaming Edward fangirl. >.< I think all the books were awful.
im a huuuuge fan of twilight. I must admit that meeting twilight fans is freaking intense….
I agree, people take the love of these books way too far, and Bella acts impulsively and stupidely, and the entire concept is silly and not completely original(buffy the vampire slayer has a very similar storyline ) but stop judging and insulting those of us who do like the series, just as a book, just for a mindless read.
LOLING at this graphjam.
I used to love the whole thing, I read it two years ago when Twilight was pretty much unknown to everyone.
And then somehow this announcement of a Movie with a sparkly vampire and a girl who likes to fall over on pretty much anything and then this massive hype started.
Aaah…teh fangirls.
I bet their all running to buy the official Twilight Perfume now.
I kinda liked the series. I didn’t fawn over it, but I kinda liked it. Then again, I liked Superman 4. But I digress. The series was ok, never bothered to see the movie, and I hate superfans. That’s just how it is. I’ll admit, when I heard about the movie I was intrigued because the actor who played Mike was in an episode of stargate Sg-1 and did a very good job. Still didn’t see it. This made my day though.
dude… i love you
You got a lot of man-love going on, tyler. sure you don’t sparkle?(;
My ONE problem with Twilight (well..several of them)
A: SPARKLY VAMPIRES? WTF?!?
B: Vamps Don’t Go Out In The Day. That’s like, almost written LAW. Call it unique, but come ON
C: VAMPIRES. DON’T. SPARKLE. COME ON!
Did I mention SPARKLES? THE HELL?
Well Dracula could go out in the day, but point taken, he lost his powers when he did. There has to be some consequence other than “I become faaaabulouuuuus!”
A few points to discuss…
1) Me… I fit into all categories (I’ve read the books, seen the film, met the fans, been a fan). And there is no problem with that.
2) Vampires. The possibility for a Twilight vampire to exist is 100 times greater than other sorts of vampires. Animals can drink blood, move at high speeds, hunt effectively, be incredibly strong, and they CAN sparkle. If you have a problem with that, see a biologist.
3) This thread – calm down the lot of you! There is no reason to get upset over this book.
4) My favourite character: Seth, a werewolf who seems to ave no problems with vampires.
Finally, that graph is wrong.
2) No, it isn’t, and what animal has diamonds in its skin cells and sparkes, hmm? Also, it doesn’t matter how realistic it is, the marks of a good writer is one who can take something completely unrealistic and write a story that makes you believe in it, a lot of classics have completely unrealistic stories (A Journey To The Center Of The Earth for example) but because of the way its written it sounds logical, just like it was logical to Van Helsing that a vampire was killing Lucy. If you’re only going to read books that are “realistic” then stay away from fiction altogether.
3)There is no reason for you to get upset over other people to get mad at fangirls, and there’s no reason for you to like that book that much
4)Of course he has no problems with vampires, vampires can control wolves and even change into them. Oh wait this is Twilight. And if you like Twilight because its so realistic, why is there werewolves? They are completely unrealistic.
To address your issues with my comment…
1) You didn’t say much about the “me” part, did you? I suppose that’s good.
2) I said see a biologist if you have a problem. I am only pointing out the possibilities, not the probabilities.
3) I’m just pointing out how immature some of you can be. If you plan to answer back like that, then fine: why should I care what you think?
4) He still copes best – the rest of the pack aren’t exactly on speaking terms with the vamps.
Finally, that graph is still wrong.
And by the way, I never said anything about diamonds. Just some sort of reflective surface, such as the scales of some fish etc. Ok?
P.P.S.
Werewolves are cool, even if they’re unrealistic. I get on very well with them myself.
So the book still gets my vote.
1) I didn’t wanna say anything about you because I didn’t know how to say that you’re probably a virgin who can’t get laid who spends too much time thinking about a crappy book.
2) I live with a biologist, so yeah, no dice. And fish scales don’t properly sparkle they look shiny when wet.
3) And you don’t think Twlight is immature at all?
4) He realizes that they aren’t cool powerful vampires like Dracula who can control him
Finally, the graph stands as being very correct.
Do you want to know what really scares me? In ten years, all of the tweens and teens will be old enough to get married and have kids. You know on those baby name sites how they have a list of the most popular names chosen?
Girls:
Bella
Alice
Rosalie
Esme
Reneesme (shudders)
Boys:
Edward
Jacob
Emmet
Jasper
I have put notes down in their respective places, or a “—” if there is nothing to say.
Girls:
—
It’s quite a popular name anyway.
—
I know an Esme.
This would really stop the name being unique!
Boys:
Always been popular.
I see no great problem with a couple of Jacobs, do you?
I’m not sure about this one…
—
So that’s all.
There are a lot of jacobs, yeah. I know an Alice, But I have never met an edward, or any of the others. but the problem is is that there’s gona be just wayy too many. I would have considered naming my kid Alice if not for the probability that it will be way to common a name by then, but there’s gonna be these women that name all their kids after these book characters and it wil be aweful.
Oh this is SO true. I have never met anyone who hated it that had actually read it. Everyone I know that’s read it loves it, and the people I know that hate it can do nothing but spout stupidity that isn’t based on any actual facts. I find it funny that people complain about Twilight fans when THEY’RE the ones being retarded about it just because they want to seem ‘better’ than that.
So um.. yeah I read all four books, bought the 4th one at midnight when it came out. and 12 hours later is was finished and I can no longer stand them. Same with most of my friends. So there are people out there who hate it and have read it.
some of you people are idiots.
whether something makes money is not a measure of its quality. american idol is popular but its a complete waste of time. that’s only one example but there’s more everywhere.
here’s what i’m trying to say: copies sold =/= quality. i admit that i haven’t read the book, but this judgment i’m making is ON THE MOVIE ALONE:
-plot is overly dramatized and comes off as cheesy.
-the “love” between edward and bella is based on almost nothing and poorly developed
-vampires that sparkle really contradict the idea of vampires. they’re supposed to be dark and evil. i’m fine with her making people sparkle, but don’t call them vampires. Before twilight, when someone said the word “vampire” u’d think dracula or something. now u’ll think edward, and he’s really not that scary. except for the watching you sleep part. but the concept of vampires has been ruined by this story.
and for the love of god quit calling her stephanie. u don’t know her personally, she’s not like ur best friend.
This board has become really funny. Since when did a persons sex life have anything effect on their ability to judge books? Twilight is not the only book to have an incredibly weird mythology behind it(Garth Nix, David Eddings etc). And whilst I agree the super crazed fan girls/boys are stupid, some of the anti-twilighters are just as bad.
Oh and who cares what they call their kids? It’s none of YOUR business, it’s their’s and their partners choice. At least these names are half-normal(Apple…), stop complaining about it, the world will not end if their is suddenly alot of Alice’s running around.
i have read the books and found this was a lame story. the plot SUCKED, the characters were creepy and losers. Edward, the guy everyone loves in a stalker and a creep, he watched Bella sleep! Like what is that. Bella is an annoying loser….and everyone else are refastureds. (dont ask) It was boring, stupid and annoying book. Meyers CANT write a book to save her life. Terrible, terrible, terrible. i find it sad for people to love a FICTIONAL CHARACTER IN A BOOK! I dont even think of Edward as a vampire, more gay sparkle vamp.
Worst book ever
Meow
I like the books, and the fim isn’t so bad, however the fact every girl at my school is obsessing over which one of them ‘saw Edward first’ makes me want to harpoon them all.
lol
Twilight ownes man!!! loooove the books and the movie now there’s a nutcracker to you stped people hwo doesn’t like twilight!!!!
i read it once and i thought it was retarded as hell, but then everyone was talking about it so i read it again because i thought i must have misses something amazing….i didn’t it was just retarded a second time
http://www.twilightsucks.com/
I understand why people would hate the book. You have a right to your opinion. What a lot of the people on this board are objecting to, is the use of stereotypical abuse. Just because a single book appealed to you, doesn’t make you a virgin, or a teen, or a whackjob. I personally loathe most things set in highschool, yet I liked this one. But I also would never read another of its type again, it’s just not my genre.
And yes you may have your opinion, but stop complaining about those who express theirs!!!
Everyone has their own ‘Edward’. ‘Edward’ is the perfect person, no one has the same opinion on perfect, so no ‘Edward’ is the same.
I have read the book so none of you can say I am one of those who say stuff who hasn’t read it. I will say it I HATE TWILIGHT! I have some perfectly good reasons. One the last book had no plot whatsoever. Bella got pregnant, turned into a vampire, whined a little bit The End. A good book has death, some action or even some suspense. How come Bella even likes Edward? Let’s see he’s hot and he likes the way she smells. Yea real good relationship there. I personally hate all the people who dump their boyfriends and girlfriends to find their own Bella or Edward. None of them exist! Try reading something that describes something the same way every time. I did, the name of the book you ask? Twilight Perfect Perfect Perfect Perfect Perfect NOT!!!!!!
Umm, I dont really understand twilight or like it but i dont agree with the “people who have met the fans thing” My bestest friends LOVE twilight and that dosnt make them any lesser of a person than twilight haters or non understanders like me. just means they think Edward is Hot. Myself, i think everyone should just shaddup bout’ it. People who Hate it and express that fact are just making trouble with the lovers, and people who love it and are Going phsyco at the haters are just as bad. every1 shaddup! Its just a bleedin’ Book OK!
oh and, I dont think Vampires Sparkle. wouldnt Edward be angry and embarresed that sum1 spilt sparkles all over him after he put wet flour all over himself and not be willing to show it to the world?
I read it….I hated it. I wanted to burn it and then flush the ashes down the toilet. Bella was the worst character I’ve ever rad about. I didn’t mind the vampires all that much, except Ed who only liked Bella cuz’ he couldn’t read her mind (because she was so stupid she didn’t have one). Bella was an idiot, not because she liked Ed (although that ws kind of stupid because all she could ever say about him was that he was pretty) but because she was just a nothing character. She was like one of the extras in a movie. They’re not interesting. I though Alice was ok, and Rosalie had some personality (seeing as all the women in Twilight just did what the boys told them). Overall, I thought the book was a major dissappointment and I would not recommend it.
It’s the rabid fangirls that make me fall in the “red” area of this graph. If you all stopped telling me how beautiful and perfect Edward Cullen is and how you will have his vampire spawn, I probably would have gone along ignoring Twilight for the rest of my existence. Those of you who aren’t a RABID FANGIRL, you don’t qualify as a “fan” that I’ve met in reference to this.
Twilight sucks, I read like.. one chapter of it two years ago and I pretty much threw it out the window.
And every girl in my school (except for my friends.. thank god) are obsessed with the book and make me even more motivated to hold a global book burning for it.
can you really hate a book after one chapter?
just saying hehe
ok. this is what it boils down to:
people who like Twilight (such as myself) can like it.
people who don’t, don’t have to.
that’s personal preference people. anyone who wants to support it all well and good. wanna make fun of it? go for it! personally i loved it, but i laugh at the things people say about it because they’re funny, it is just a book and it is honestly not that serious.
holy crap
freak out.
ok, i admit, i love twilight.a lot. i believe its a very good book, but it is slightly immature. its for 12-16 year olds, what do you expect?
either way im not going to shove it down your throat! if u like it, great, if u hate it, i wont hold it against you. twilight lovers need to stop being so harsh! its a book! not the most important thing in the world! they dont like it, oh well! move on!
also, twilight haters, it wasnt that bad. now matter how crap the book, a piece of literature shouldnt be burned. that is extreme and stupid. all books are worth something and should not be wasted. sorry twilight isnt your thing. stop yelling at people who do like it.
either way i thought the graph was funny.
learn to laugh at yourself, people. stop freaking out. please.
hey, fangirls, STFU. of course, in Twilight, the vampires just HAVE to be incredibly sexy and smart and amazing and rich and perfect in every way, shape, and form. the vampires are freakin pansies. they SPARKLE. and they dont have fangs, dont die in sunlight, and are dead. and they bite people. so the Twilight “vampires” are really zombies. you cant really argue with me over that. and edward is anti-life. he wanted an abortion in breaking dawn. and yes, i did read the books. yes, i saw the movie, and Twilight, sucks. i DARE you to argue with me
but why read the books if you don’t like them? or watch the movie?? i dont understand why you would waste your time??
I love Twilight. I do not like the mass hysteria the book has created though. Its pathetic.
and to add on to that, the vampires in TDEN have FANGS, go blind then DIE in sunlight, and are not perfect
The scary part is, even the special edition DVD cover sparkles.
*shudders*
maybe they skinned one of the twilight vampires and used it to cover the dvds
God I hate fangirls.
Sorry to tell the haters, but I like twilight.
And it gets sorta annoying when all of you are talking about another comment when that person is talking about another comment, you get what im saying. but seriously, if you HATE twilight why did you go on this website? if you hate it THAT much, why do you bother leaving a comment saying that you do only so a twilight lover can “slap you in the face”. and for the girl who got iss for punching and cussing, im laughing at you because your so stupid! so when the people are writing this dont comment back saying im blah blah blah because that means you have no life and you have a possibity of working on TMZ when you “grow up” not like you ever will grow up because your wasting your whole life on this wesite!
Just saying, this isn’t a Twilight website. We click on it because we do hate Twilight. She isn’t a good writer. I don’t hate the first book but honestly. Four books to turn her into a vampire. Really? And it’s more the fact that it’s getting all this attention when the characters are flat.
and ps- you said “your stupid”
My stupid what?
I personally like twilight, myself. If you don’t, fine. It doesn’t bother me. But, when you say Stephenie Meyer is a horrible writer and can’t write a good book for her life, now that’s alittle overboard! If you don’t like it that’s your OPINION!!!
I find it funny how people can go on and on about the unrealistic romance in Twilight when there are several other stories out there guilty of the same crime. Take Romeo and Juliet; a 13-year-old and 18-year-old meet, ‘fall in love’ and marry, all in under 24 hours. You can’t bash Meyer for writing unrealistic romance unless you have a problem with what Shakespeare wrote too, because his story was more unrealistic; yet he’s not bashed for his story, no. He’s PRAISED. I also find it disappointing how some people are starting to read King’s books JUST BECAUSE he insulted Twilight, and not because they actually had any interest in his stories before. If that were the case with stories I wrote, I’d be disappointed. While it is true that there are people (many people) who overestimate Twilight and make complete idiots of themselves, there are also haters who are just as bad. Like obsessive fans they don’t know when to shut up, and they judge people based on whether they like Twilight or not. And somehow they think they are cooler and smarter for it.
nice~
but i like both : )
Shakespeare never meant for Romeo and Juliet to be a story about ‘true love’; he wrote it as a satire to mock and exploit young love in his day and age. He was basically trying to tell his audience that uncontrolled lust can ruin lives. Pretty much all of his plays were made to mock society.
ROFTMAO!!! its an okay series but the fangirls… *shrudder* now i’ll never get a gf cuz im not edward and/or jacob and/or a vampire… Darn You!!!!!!!!!!!!
guys not being funny or anything but your arguing over a book…and a movie. if you love it great!! talk about that with other people that love it and dont force feed everyone else with it. and if you hate it again dont go taking the piss out of anyone who does like it or putting up nasty comments like “stephanie meyer cant write” etc coz seriously thats very childish and nasty for no real reason. I do like the books myself. I prefer the Anita Blake series myself. I have read Anne Rice and found them alright but not something i would read over and over again. But i am not going to disregared Anne rice as an author. Just accpet that if you cant say something nice dont say anything at all. And sometimes there is such a thing as OVER THE TOP you silly fangirls. Edward while being very attractive as a thought or character is not real. He will never be ‘real’. Bbut surprisingly there are guys out there with that romantic quality and that are very attractive they just dont happen to be vampires. And lets be honest if you fangirls met a real vampire i dont think youd be too keen. And also if you are into vampires read more then just the twilight series. You cant call yourself a vampire fan if you have only read twilight thats like calling yourself a simpsons fan after only seeing one episode. There are other books and movies out there about vampires. go pick one up you might just like it.
and remember it’s a book not your life.
Why do so many people love that book?!? If you all read a translation of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote) and still tell me Twilight is the best book ever, I’ll believe you. But not until then.
Twilight is a fad.
You can’t make people not like it or like it.
Why insult people if they just say they like it?
Cussing won’t make them change their mind.
If you like twilight it’s okay.
If you don’t no one can make you like it.
You are your one person.
You can be an original.
No one can change you.
Your incharge of yourself.
I pointed out to some people that in five years, no one is going to remember what’s her name who wrote the book. Man I reduced a Twitard to tears when I said it.
SLAY THE GIANTS!!!
*runs screaming at nearest windmill*
I’ve read the first two books, and pretty much everyone I know is a fan. I. HATE. T*******.
Reasons for hating T*******:
- The plot is confuzzling. When there is one.
- Bella is weak and whiny and can’t live without Edward.
- Edward has no personality.
- All the vampires are Mary Sues.
twilights gay im so over people saying omg i wish i was with edward GET OVER IT HES NOT EVEN REAL!! edward is a fictional character the colsest u can gge5t to edward is pattison but either way your never gunna get thim so STFu on twilight im so over it .. cant wait till thwe whole movie comes out and everyone forgets about it!!!
definitive true!
I read the series and it wasted my time, as I now realize. Because I already knew from people telling me that bella’s pushes out offspring and becomes a “vampire”, and that’s all that really happened or changed to in the whole damn series.
Complete waste of my time. Time I could have used to read good books. How stupid am I? c:
The months in which I was obsessed with the twilight series were the lowest of my life. I could swear the pages were laced with drugs as I couldn’t put the damn book down. By the time everyone started Reading the series in my school I was over it, but school was hell on earth. I go to an all girls school and in one assembly where a historian Thomas carlsyle was mentioned it took the teachers 10 mins to make the fan girls stop giggling and swooning.
I have seen 8 years old clutching copies of breaking dawn as they come out of waterstones and it makes me wonder what the work is coming to when the world is coming to when an 8 ge old favourite piece of literature is this crap.
So to round up rant
1. all copies of twilight series should be stored in a secure area away from civilisation.
2. Said secure area should then be bombed, set fire to or nuked. Take your pick.
Twilight sucks. End of.
… I like your style, Private.
I never read the Twilight series, I wouldn’t mind it so much if the fangirls would stop squealing over Edward. His whole personality is unrealistic, yet that’s what a lot of girs now expect. There’s probably only one person on this planet with a similar personality to Edward, and that person is most likely gay.
We all have entitlement to our oppinion. If we dont like it and let you know that, then its our CHOICE. DEAL WITH IT. I have met so many people that like it, its killing me. They keep squealing over it and the characters. I’m annoyed of it.
Let me just say that this is rather funny– not only is the graph accurate, it`s brought out funny responses as well.
Isn`t it true that if there are people who flame it, there are others who don`t? People who come here saying they like it aren`t any worse than those who hate it, because let`s face it, flamers go into pro-Twi websites and say mean things, pro-Twi members do the same to anti-Twi people.
Personally, I`ll stick with Anne Rice, thank you. They aren`t mindless monsters, they do feel. As a matter of fact, they`re actually beautiful in their suffering.
Problem with second paragraph: Anti Twilight people are betterbecause they don’t like crap.
And Anne Rice? Hah. If anyone’s looking for fantasy, look no further than Lewis Carroll.
Yeah, I love Lewis Carroll, too. I`m excited about the new Alice movie coming in March next year. But as far as vampire novels go, Anne Rice is better than Meyer. Although there are plenty of other awesome vamp books.
And I utterly DESPISE Twilight. I was just making a point.
i think blue and green should be a bit bigger…
yeah twilight sucks. plain and simple
WOW!!! ROFL!!!
THIS IS HILARIOUS!!!
2 TRUE!!!
IF UV MET MY FRIENDS U ALMOST HAV 2 HATE IT & PRETEND 2 LUV IT 4 THEM
The Twilight movie… was so depressingly bad. It made 70 million dollars opening night. They had an enormous budget to this movie. You know how much I think the movie cost to make? Around $5,000. $4,000 of that was to pay the actors. $900 of that was to pay the crew. $1 was to use special effects. The remaining $99 dollars was used to ensure that the movie sucked.
All things related to Twilight should be locked far away and then exposed to heat, acid, and radiation until they vanish.
All fans should be put in gas chambers to protect the gene pool.
Any man who read the book whould be spending his time petitioning for his rights. You know… gay rights. Because men who read Twilight are gay. Then they should be gassed for reading Twilight.
All youngins who read this book should be reeducated to lose all of the stuff that was put into their heads. No, they should be gassed, to.
Any adult female who has read Twilight is a nostalgic ex- whore trying to get tips on how to lure little girls near her house of horrors to induce lesbian rape, and should therefore be gassed.
Any dog that read Twilight should be studied, then gassed.
If you are actually a gay man reading Twilight, then pardon the above insult, but you need to be gassed. You read Twilight. You gotta go.
In short, everything relating to Twilight needs to be destroyed before our gene pool gets so infected that the next Twilight installment does well. I’m horrified just thinking about it.
HAHA MAN YOU’RE AWESOME.
you are missing “fans being obsessed with muse because of the movie”
I’ve actually heard conversations that ended with, “I think I’m more like Bella than you.” THis shows that our society is getting progressively stupider and more obsessed with falses realities that aren’t even good. You want a good false reality? Alice in Wonderland. I’ts a great book. You want to read a popular false reality? Twilight. Unfortunately, if you read Twilight, you’ll probably be gassed to avoid infecting the gene pool with your corrupt and unintelligent seed.
My friends are Twilight fans so when they talk about it, I yell ”SHUT UP!”
You know what`s really sad? I went to the book store the other day, and they had Twilight Band-aids and doorknob hangers. And remember those Valentine`s Day hearts with the little sayings on them? They now have Twilight ones. -_- The worst part about it though is that they had a display of Twilight with all that merchandise near it, then they had the actually GOOD vampire books around it, as if they thought they weren`t as good or something. I realize that it`s to increase sells in other books as well, but it isn`t like Twilight fans will find respectable Vampire Literature any good!
Ah, well, the Pokemon franchise was ten times worse than anything Twilight could dish out, except Pokemon was based on a -good- game and Twilight is based on a -bad- book.
Exactly! As soon as some of them read some other vamp books, like Rice, for example, they`ll think it sucks because the vamps aren`t like the vamps they liked, etc. I tried to read Twilight. I really did. But like you said, it got pretty predictable after a while. Not to mention, as you pointed out, you can`t go anywhere with a Twilight book without someone commenting about it or ruining the whole thing! I`ve actually had people tell me the ending on several occasions. That`s probably why a lot of people don`t like Twilight, too, is simply because it`s mainstream.
And I hope you don`t mean me when you said not to criticize Harry Potter; I love Harry Potter! I can`t wait to see the new movie!
Here’s a nice little graph for all you “TTLY OBBSESSED AND IN LOVE WITH EDWARD” fans -.-
http://graphjam.com/2009/06/10/song-chart-memes-girls-sleep/
Graph is so true. Enough with the whiny fans, please, it’s a disgrace to the other females. Twilight is for stupid, unintellectual girls who 1) Don’t have a life of their own, 2) Are so desperate that they prefer to engulf themselves in false realities.
Anyone can create a perfect “Edward Cullen” with the thesaurus.
Whilst I agree with the general sentiment, I can’t agree with the whole ‘false reality thing’ because surely that’s what books are for? To live somebody else’s life for a little while?
No, I’m pretty sure Edward is gay. I mean a real flamer.
Whoa if i had a penny for each of the comments……
You forgot “EDWARD F*CKING CULLEN”
The book is alright, but for someone to say it’s the best series of all time.. you’d have to have read all the other books that have had sequels.. Even on the subject of vampirism, I dare you to compare little edward cullen and his sparkling skin to the horrific crusades of the original vampire, vlad the impaler, who drank the blood of his enemies, placed their heads on stakes, and ate their kings’ hearts.. or to Anne Rice’s beautifully composed, nearly poetic saga of lestat. I must say, though, I must thank ms. meyers if she has introduced at least one preppy high school cheerleader to the gothic writings of the masterful bram stoker.
You ppl r crzy idiots dat u arue over a BOOK (FICTIONAL BOOK) might I add I myself love the series but I wudnt fight over it its some1s oppinion u CANNOT change that.My bff hates it and i luv it but we still hang out and talk to each other the same way than b4 the series came out
Smeyer: “Hm…I need something to make these vampires more original…oh! I know! Instead of making them burn up in the sun like normal fictional vampires, I’ll make them SPARKLE! It makes total sense, because Edward would be even MORE beautiful – and it would explain why they wouldn’t be able to go out in the sun; people would think they’re gay, and homosexuality is NOT okay with vampies. Yeah. That’s gold.”
The whole thing sucked ass…I swear, my retarded dog could write better that Stephanie Meyer.
your retarded dog IS stephanie meyer
Twilight is an evil, evil creation invented by an agent of an EVIL corporation undercover as a mad woman with the mental age of a 13-year-old to brainwash the idiots into following sparkly vampires, just like the condition of the leader of the corporation, whose last name happens to be Cullen.
It all adds up!
IT’S A CONSPIRACY!
i watched the movie before people have gone crazy lol. i liked it a bit but i started to get extremely annoyed
Before I knew what Twilight was about I decided not to read it just to spite fans. This feeling has strengthened to the point of wishing punishment for S.Meyer’s terribly written… thing. So yes, this graph speaks the truth.
wow
twilight twitch much ppl?
u ppl hav no lives get overit
BUT I LUV TWILIGHT STILL
but get over it
BUT IT ROX
but get over it
actually, i read the book and hated the character of bella. she seemed so pathetic to me
Heya, to the girl going psycho down there:
Your little outburst just proved the point of the graph.
A lot of people who have never read the book have met people like you and base their opinion on that.
‘Cos if a girl goes THAT psycho about fantast literature, there’s a good chance it’s pretty retarded.
Well done for proving the graph.
”Twilight haters” lol, awesome term! Jeez…
Met the fans, read the books, and I’m one of the ctitics who rite those hilarious reviews.
Just wanted to say I have to agree with Craiggo. I think it’s the fans that make people hate the books. I read the books and actually kind of enjoyed them, but I resisted them for so long because I’m not into romance or vampires. Also, I did think they were just for teenage girls (but I’ve been proven wrong since then), AND, mostly importantly, I resisted the books because of the fans. A friend dragged me to Borders one night to pick up a copy of whichever book it was on the night it debuted, and I couldn’t believe how many girls showed up dressed up in costumes. Some girls were wearing shirts they decorated themselves (Team Edward/Jacob) or capes or even vampire fangs. Some girl just safety pinned dish towels together to make a cape. It was pathetic. I was embarrassed for alot of them. Congrats you’re passionate about something because some people are never passionate about anything, but I thought all that was incredibly silly just for a book, especially when the author wasn’t even there. I’m not going to tell people what they can and cannot do, but witnessing people dressing up for a BOOK, is kind of offputting. It really makes a person want to distance themself from something when fans act that way, but Twilight fans aren’t the only people who do things like that for the stuff they love.
most* importantly
ok…u pple really dont kno good books…who ever said that this book is good, is a gay sparkly vampire…i kno its bad cause i couldnt even get passed page 2, and i dont get y people like the characters cause they will NEVER meet them, and vampires dont exist
Well….I read the books and from what I have seen, I don’t like the literary look or even feel. It feels like one of those idiotic romance novels one picks up at a super market because their husband is a duche. I’m sorry, but I really don’t believe Edward is remotely romantic, to be honest, vampires are leeches, they are not romantic. Hell even the original Dracula, the creature was described to be horrible and scary looking. If you silly little high schoolers want to be taken seriously, read some REAL books for a change, I don’t know read the required texts that will get you into college. Romance is a dead thing, and to be honest, I wasn’t even interested in guys in high school, I believed guys were inferior intellectually and were not even worth the time of day to speak with unless they were in the band.
I am not saying anything else about this, but Twilight is the WORST piece of literature I have ever read and I have READ IT! I read the first few chapters of the first book, then looked at the other books, none of it interested me. Anne Rice, Bram Stokers, and some of the other literary vampire grand masters are usually more interesting. All Stephanie Meyers is a teeny-bopper wanna-be writer, she should take a lesson from L.J. Smith who wrote the Vampire Diaries and just let the hype go down. To be honest, I am vocalizing some hostility toward the immaturity of some of the readers who are just BRATS! Spoiled, selfish little snots who shouldn’t be allowed out in public if this is how they act in reality. Reading is a joy, not forcing people to read your little brat books. I am sorry, but I have to say something because I couldn’t even finish Twilight without feeling like gagging. ROMANTIC CRAP IS JUST THAT CRAP!
I couldn’t agree with you more. The only reason I read Twilight was because a very good friend of mine bought it for me for my birthday, and therefore I felt obliged to read it. It took me an hour and a half to finish the entire thing, and two cups of coffee to keep me awake while I did so. My grandmother saw me reading the atrocious thing, and decided she would buy me the other three books for Christmas. Once again, I felt the need to read them, and I was hoping that maybe they would be better than the first. Wrong. Bella’s personality is nonexistent, Edward is frightening, and the rest of the characters are to poorly developed to even deserve the name “characters”. And now, all the girls my age (I’m 13) are obsessing over the sickening series, and it’s starting to make me crazy.
You are way not alone, at my work, some girl noticed me reading a vampire novel and assumed I liked Twilight and wouldn’t shut up about it until I could at least tell her. “Sorry, but I am reading HELLSING, not some silly childish book, even if I did finish it, I am sorry, but you fans just killed it for me.” You should see the fans of Death Note, not so annoying, but still not as bad as some of the Twilight Fans
i don’t mind if you don’t like twilight, but i love it and nobody can change that.
i don’t mind if you don’t like twilight, i love it and nobody can change that.
twilight rocks… if you’re a 13 year old girl who just had their first period
i hate twilight i still didn’t finish the last book yet . girls all around the word are in love with Edward ! Well frig he is not even real ! frig a girl in my class is in love with him , and i mean it i was at her house and she said that he was right there ! any way i respect the fact that people like twilight but there is no reason to read it over and over again ! and to be obsessed well i have something to say to that , GET A FRIGEN LIFE ! well thats all
It’s bad because it’s teaching you the importance of having a boy friend. There is no plot line. It’s the basic story of girl meets boy, boy and girl fall in love, boy leaves, girl falls in love with best friend, boy comes back, love triangle, original boy will win. It’s a book about a vampire that watches a girl sleep because he ‘loves her’. He’s not even a real vampire, they don’t sparkle and they drink human blood. It’s a book that has 2 pedophiles in it – Jacob AND Edward. Jacob, because he ‘imprints’ on Renesmee, and Edward because he’s in ‘love’ with Bella, he’s like 107. Also, spelling you like ‘u’ doesn’t make you cool, neither does spelling cause like ‘cuz. If you’re going to prove people wrong, please spell correctly. The ‘freakin BEST book in the whole damn world’ got a 3/10 from me. And, trust me, I DID read the books and see the movie. I guess I’m part of the minority that doesn’t like Twilight.
the truth is, twilight is just another series. it just got famous. its ok, but not THAT great
twlight sucks maximum ride rocks thats all there is to it ii dont care who you are trust me if you havent read MR then you are missing out on a lot and if you have and you still like sucklight then you didnt read them enough i mean wtf VAMPIRES ARE LAME AVIANS ROCK FOREVER!!!!!!
ok i like MR. its awesome and cool. but sorry. vamps are always better. still cant wait for the movie to come out. i heard catherine hardwicke is directing it. but guess who she wants to play fang and max? Robert and kristen. THEY AREN’T 14!!!!!!!!!!! and they could never look 14. ever. ever. EVER!!!
i read all the books and i hated them.
You want reasons why HP is better than Twilight?? Here:
1. Harry isn’t a sparkling, gay, 108 year old virgin that won’t brush his hair Edward Cullen is.
2. We have a theme song
3. The characters in Harry Potter are much more complex, developed, and more artfully described than those of Twilight.
4. Many of the themes of Twilight to be superficial whereas those of HP are deeper, more substantial.
5. The world of Harry Potter is original and whimsical, Twilight’s is more practical, realistic, and therefore boring.
6. HP is, simply put, a well-written and thought out story. Twilight, on the other hand, leaves something to be desired.
7. It has a better story line.
8. It’s not all, I love him I love him I love him He’s soooooo hot I love him I love him He broke my heart but I still love him I’m going to hook up with a werewolf then commit suicide so he’ll come back to me so we can get married right after high school and have a mutant baby
9. It is a longer series. Twilight does not deserve to be called a saga; it is not long enough
10. People didn’t put their own mythical creatures that sparkle in it.
11. We have a parody. A MUSICAL parody. AVPM rocks
12. We have logic and we aren’t afraid to use it
13. Who needs super strength when you have Avada Kedavra?
14. Potter fans generally have extensively accurate grammar and spelling, in conjunction with a more sophisticated vocabulary than twitards.
15. Face it. All of us would rather be a Weasley than a Cullen.
16. Voldemort and his Death Eaters are better villains than James, Victoria, and the Volturi.
17. “Potter beats Sparkle Boy ”
18. People caption lolcats and loldogs with HP references. The only time they caption them with a Twilight reference is to bash it.
19. Harry Potter is a whole new world. . . .twilight is more of the same: vampires vs werewolves.
20. Dementors are insanely more dangerous than vampires.
21. Because of Harry Potter it is considered hot when a guy has a British accent.
22. HP is about courage and standing up to evil. Twilight is about lust for your sparkly boyfriend.
23. HP has much, much more detail.
24. HP created a new genre of music: Wizard Wrock.
25. HP is relatively kid-friendly.
26. We actually have cool, intelligent characters.
27. Harry Potter took longer to write.
28. We have a theme park and we know why you don’t
29. JKR actually invented most of her ideas, instead of re-using ideas of vampires/werewolves, like Meyer.
30. Hermione would own Bella in a fight.
31. Rob Pattinson was in Harry Potter first.
32. People can snog without worrying if they’re going to kill the other person.
33. It’s a real love story; not cliched love.
34. Quidditch Enough said.
35. We don’t have to listen to Bella whining about Edward and Jacob all day long, because seriously, Bella, Harry had it way worse than you. Would you have willingly have given yourself up to save your friends? No, because your over-protective, emo boyfriend wouldn’t have let you.
36. There’s actually an antagonist in Harry Potter.
37. The Harry Potter actors CAN ACTUALLY ACT.
38. Harry Potter actually HAS A PLOT.
39. When someone says, I don’t like Harry Potter, the Harry Potter fans say, Okay, that’s your opinion. But if someone says, I don’t like Twilight, the Twitards are all You’re just jealous You suck It’s amazing You’re stupid Blah, blah, blah…
40. Harry Potter does not contradict itself nearly as much as Twilight does.
41. Harry Potter has depth and is well-developed.
42. JKR actually understands her own characters
43. Twilight is full of grammatical mistakes.
44. Harry Potter is a classic. Twilight is just a fad that will be forgotten in a few years.
45. JKR isn’t an idiot. Meyer on the other hand. . .
46. What is the moral of Twilight? Hmm? Really good message, huh?
47. Special effects. Must I explain?
48. Harry Potter doesn’t say that all kids under the age of 16 are idiots.
49. Harry is a much better protagonist than Bella, who is the most pathetic excuse for a protagonist in the history of forever.
50. Ron + Hermione is better than ANY Twilight love.
51. Rowling understands that good guys can be ugly and bad guys can be pretty.
52. JKR understands that people are good AND bad, it’s the choices you make that count. You aren’t either all good or all bad.
53. Mary-sues and Gary-stus are not EVER meant to be main characters. They are characters with little to no personality and generally only has one personality feature if any. So Bella being a damsel that fawns over some guy and Edward who is stuck on his vanity shiz. Yeah. . . . Good thing he won’t die
54. Over half of twilight is Bella describing the way Edward looks only feeding to his self-obsession. Bella may be in love with Edward but Edward is to good for Edward…
55. A second love interest always make things interesting. . . The thing with Edward and Bella was weird and then she adds in Jacob. . . .
56. Again the characters. They have no problems No flaws, no incapabilities, no problems with themselves… That is a key to the base of character creating.
57. Adding a different adjective to every damn noun does not make it good writing *clears throat* Yes, Stephenie. We are talking to you.
58. The deadly repeating element. *Bella almost dies* Oh noes Oh, wait. . . Edward saved her. . . . . .again.
59. The male characters in Twilight have no realism about them because they all fall for Bella who has no personality and is so plain
60. Meyer’s main character, Edward, depicts the perfect guy as an abusive, controlling, and mysterious self-centered guy. . . .pathetic excuse for a boy if you ask me.
61. Perfect characters + horrible writing techniques = No self conflict = Pointless Story. YAY MATH
62. Witches and Wizards pwn vampires and werewolves in a fight. Hello That one is just plain obvious.
63. Harry potter is an amazing series. It is witty, imaginative, entertaining, thought provoking and beautifully written. A person of any age can read Harry Potter and get completely wrapped up in the story. Mainly, it is the way the story is written, it is an entirely new world, all created and every question answered by Rowling.
64.A lot of girls like Twilight because the characters are “good looking.” Lets take Edward out of the story, or make him ugly. Are you still obsessed over it?
65. Rowling’s world engulfs you, transports you into a completely different universe. She’s created languages, species, and a plethora of spells. So much detail has gone into the creation of this world that it’s hard to not get lost in it. In contrast, the world that Meyer has created in Forks, Washington is just like the city: kind of boring and bland with a lack of diversity. The vampire back story is sloppy and kind of cheesy and the little bit of history we see of the werewolves in Twilight is tired and unimaginative. And that’s all there is. Clearly Twilight is less occupied with giving us a world we can live in than it is in shoving a tedious love story down our throats.
66.One of the hardest things to do is relate to kids. Educators struggle with it constantly. If you attempt to talk to them as if you’re one of them, it can come off as condescending, belittling, and at worst, stupid. This is exactly what Twilight does. It feels like that teacher you had in school who would say things like “dude” and “tubular” and “do you dig it?” This is the hip-hoppin’ grandpa. Harry Potter never talks down to its audience, frequently putting common youthful feelings of loss, sexual awkwardness, and friendship at the forefront of its themes. While Potter is fighting He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named (but I shall do it anyway: VOLDEMORT ), he is also dealing with complicated relationships that suffer due to jealousy and lying. Even though Potter deals with things that a boy his age never should and probably never would, he never feels older than he is. On the other hand, Twilight’s characters are stuck as caricatures, merely archetypes with no real voices or unique voices
67. It has REAL VAMPIRES. Not the teenage ones that sparkle in the sun. . . .like fairy dust.
68. Lets compare the settings. Forks vs. Hogwarts. The latter is an old castle filled with magic and beauty. Forks is a boring, rainy town with about 4 sunny days a year. Who wants to live there anyway? ?
69. HP doesn’t repeat its self for 4 books.
70. HP surprises you every time. You can guess what is going to happen next in Twilight.
71. The leading lady (Herimone) isn’t a whinny, dependent, self-absorbed little girl.
72. The HP characters have personalities and real relationships with each other, instead of stupid, hormone driven teenagers that represent sex symbols.
73. HP teaches good morals. While Twilight teaches people it’s ok to be a creeper and give your life away for a high school lover.
74. The characters don’t get married right out of high school and go off to a deserted island that was given to somebody as a gift to have sex and make a mutant baby.
75. Our fanfics and parodies aren’t better than the real thing.
76. He was Cedric first, and he actually had heard of HP before doing the movies. He admitted that he had no clue what Twilight was when he auditioned. . . .I’d bet that he wishes he never did.
77. We don’t run around kissing large dogs because, “It reminded me of Jacob Black ”
78. The Slytherin common room is underwater, and that is flippin’ AWESOME
79. We don’t need super speed; we can just apparate (which, by the way, is MUCH faster. Almost instantaneous).
80. JK is not afraid to sacrifice the good guys.
81. You can relate Harry Potter to WWII. Because of similarities you could learn some history from the books.
82. Reason 81 being said, some characters are loosely based off real life people Dumbledore = Winston Churchill, Voldemort = Hitler, Death Eaters = Nazi’s
83. Harry Potter teaches a good deal about prejudice and slavery with the use of different imaginative creatures (which also required research to create).
84. Twilight WILL fad out. It is a fad and many fans are on it because of the Bandwagon effect and because Robert Patterson is “good looking,” but Harry Potter will be around forever.
85. The female characters are strong and intelligent. Hermione doesn’t NEED a boyfriend to be a strong good role model for girls everywhere.
86. Even Rob Pattinson says he hates Edward Cullen and played him like a manic-depressive.
87. The villains are villains for a reason. They’re not just bad without explanation. J K Rowling explained Voldemort and other Death Eaters and showed why they went bad.
88. It’s not just one genre, like Twilight. It has humor, adventure, action, romance, fantasy, there’s even an adolescent or coming-of-age element. The multiple genres add to the story significantly by being so diverse.
89. Harry Potter is not based off of a dream the author had. It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live. -Albus Dumbledore
90. JKR does not define the perfect man as over-protective, abusive, stalker-like, and over-bearing.
91. The movies = a great cast of awesome, British actors
92. To add to the reading more reason: Many Twilight fans say that they did not read very much before twilight came out. Then, they say, they started reading. However, every thing they read is compared to twilight, even if there are not many similarities.
A twitard said this: wel befor i read twilight i neva red anything befor and its the best book eva so i think i noe wot im talking about. WHAAAT?
93. The characters change with their ages, did you notice that Bella was in school a year or two longer than she was supposed to be?
94. When characters die, they aren’t just side characters or villains. She actually has some good-guys die to make it realistic.
95. Harry Potter has been around for over 10 years, and it still has a huge fan base. Twilight’s been around for 5 or so years, and there are as many haters as there are fans.
96. You can read a Potter book multiple times and find it just as amazing as before. When you read HP you actually feel like you are in the book along with the characters. Not so much for Twilight.
97. I don’t care if Bella ate a Granola Bar for breakfast and I don’t care about reading about how good-looking Edward is for the hundredth time. It just gets boring
98. Two words: Albus Dumbledore Need I say more?
99. I’m getting really tired of the whole Harry Potters too hard to read and understand argument that twitards put up. HP is on a 5-6th grade reading level. If you’re above 5th or 6th grade and you find Harry Potter to be a difficult read, chances are you’re just stupid.
100. Little things turn out to be very important i.e. the locket in OotP the bug in Hermione’s hair, secret keepers, Snape begging Harry to look at him and so much more
101. We watch the movies because we love the characters and because we want to see if the movie is living up to the book. Twitards watch Twilight for the guys. Pathetic.
102. Have you even read some of the stuff on mylifeistwilight.com? Pathetic to the utmost.
103. All potter fans may be nerds, yet not all nerds need be potter fans.
104. NO. ONE. SPARKLES.
105. Appeals to boys AND girls.
106. The Harry Potter series ended in a more realistic way: there were casualties. Fred died; George got his ear cursed off; Dumbledore and Sirius died. Somehow in the Twilight series, Bella ended up with everything she could have wanted and a perfect life.
107. Harry, Ron and Hermione mature as the book progressed. Bella, if possible, became more childish.
108. There are no pedophiles.
109. Harry is not a stalker. He has never watched Ginny in her sleep.
110. Rowling obviously knows how to edit her writing.
111. Bella fears that she will be older than Edward, impossible; Edward is over 100 years old. She will NEVER be older than him. Ever.
112. Vampires can’t apparate.
113. Twilight is extremely sexist and encourages women to submit to the “superiority” of men and prevent them from becoming strong independent figures like Ginny or Hermione or Professor McGonagall.
114. The Cullens have been around for hundreds of years and the ONLY thing they can think of to do all day is go to high school?
115. One character in Harry Potter has more complexity than ALL of the Twilight characters put together.
116. Potter. Puppet. Pals.
117. Many Potter fans grew up along with Harry, Ron and Hermione; therefore creating a connection with them. Twilight will NEVER be able to duplicate.
118. Snakes talk.
119. Harry Potter titles make sense. How did Meyer come up with her titles? Did she pull them out of her butt?
120. Four words: A. Very. Potter. Musical.
121. And Fred’s eyes stared without seeing, the ghost of his last smile still etched upon his face. HOW DOES THAT NOT MAKE YOU CRY? ?
122. There is no comic relief in Twilight.
123. Harry Potter has the support of My Life is Average. Twilight had to create its own website to get any recognition.
124. Twilight is Stephenie Meyer’s sexual fantasy. JKR came up with Harry Potter.
125. Harry Potter has never ruined friendships. (Edward vs. Jacob)
126. AVPM Draco.
127. Bella blatantly disregards her father’s rules by letting Edward into her room at night. Harry Potter instills better family values than Twilight.
128. Charlie is the STUPIDEST cop in the entire world I mean, he’s sleeping in the next room and he doesn’t hear them talking? ? And, Edward is in Bella’s CLOSET when he comes in. Epic fail, dude.
129. If the assumption that Bella and Edward are like Romeo and Juliet, they would have had to die. James and Lily died to protect their son.
130. People remain loyal to each other in HP. Jacob left his family for a person who didn’t love him. Alice left her family without telling them just to follow a hunch.
131. Meyer gave away the ENTIRE plot of the book by putting the quote on the back of the book. Really, all you need to do is read the back and that’s all you need to know about Twilight.
132.Ginny understood that Harry needed to fight Voldemort, and accepted it. Bella made a fuss and didn’t let Edward protect the town against a swarm of vampires.
133. No one dies in Twilight.
134. Appeals to kids and adults.
135. Meyer’s werewolves are wimps. Fenrir Greyback? He is completely badass.
136. Stephen King has never told JKR that she cannot write.
137. Robert Pattinson plays a better character in HP than Twilight (he has admitted that he, too, does not like Edward).
138. He was Cedric first
139. Bella gets everything she wants. Harry and his friends must make sacrifices.
140. Draco Malfoy vs. Lauren. Who do YOU think would win?
141. There are no annoying love triangles.
142. JKR EXPLAINS everything. Why Snape hated Harry but saved his life whenever he was in trouble. Why Ludo Bagman kept helping Harry. Why Draco turned out to be so insecure… It isn’t like that in Twilight. Some things are explained and some things are not. Connect the pieces; please… it makes a story better.
143. Rowling fights. Meyer talks it out. 50 points to Rowling
144. Besides her clinginess, Bella does not resemble a real life teenager.
145. Even the secondary characters are endearing.
146. The characters have more colorful names, i.e. Luna Lovegood, Albus Dumbledore, and Viktor Krum vs. Mike, Angela, and Jessica.
147. Bella, after having NO experience in relationships, decides that the first handsome boy she meets is her soul mate. Harry, after a brief period with Cho Chang, falls for his best friend’s sister, who also happens to be his friend as well.
148. The Cullens are idolized and envied, whereas Harry, Ron and Hermione have many friends, but they also have a lot of enemies. What’s life without conflict?
149. Hermione is always shown studying or reading and getting top marks in all her classes. Bella somehow manages to pass all of her classes without doing any homework. Which sets a better example for girls? Hmmm. . . .Yeah. THAT’S a hard question.
150. When Bella got Edward back, she forgave him for lying to her and making her fall into depression. When Ron came back in DH, Hermione beat the crap out of him for walking out on her. Go Hermione
151. Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry vs. Forks High School. PWN
152. Edward can’t read Bella’s thoughts because she doesn’t have any At least JKR’s characters have a brain of their own
153. Twilight teaches kids that abusiveness is selflessness.”
154. Meyers attempt at creepy characters was an epic fail.
155. The old people in Harry Potter actually look old.
156. The girls in HP can actually beat up/protect their boyfriends
157. Harry is not afraid to face the dark side.
158. Twitards claim that Twilight is better because it is an “Epic Love Story.” Yeah, right
159. Adjectives
160. Battles
161. Hermione is a badass. Bella is worthless.
162. In Harry Potter there aren’t as many unintentional “LOL” moments.
163. The fans.
164. Most of our actors are actually hot. The only people who are “good looking” in Twilight is Carlisle and Jacob.
165. It look’s like Edward made a peace treaty with his face
166. There’s this thing, we call it a plot. Harry Potter has one, Twilight does not.
167. There are many twists and turns that capture your interest and keep you guessing. Twilight, on the other hand, is utterly boring and predictable.
168. Even though they’re wizards, the characters are easy to relate to. They have actual flaws and problems. It is really hard to relate to a character that is absolutely perfect aside from his one flaw of being a blood-thirsty, abusive, sparkling vampire.
169. JKR isn’t being sued for plagiarism.
170. It has depth and layers. In short, people don’t just read it for the hot guys.
171. Small details that don’t seem important at the beginning of the series become important at the end of the series.
172. Most of the plot holes (or the major ones any way) were tied up by the end of the seventh book.
173. The Characters in Harry Potter are, smart, funny, dumb, awkward, ridiculous, anxious. They’re realistic. JKR never passes off the thought to give her characters flaws. Because all people have flaws Even sparkly vampires Even if they are perfect.
174. JKR doesn’t contradict/break every rule she made.
175. The books were actually thought out from the very beginning, so everything tied together neatly.
176. Consistency is key in a series of books.
177. You can actually learn something worth-while from Harry Potter. I can’t say I really learned any important life lessons from Twilight. Not honestly, anyway.
178. Because books should allow you to use your imagination to fill in the blanks, rather than describe everything to you every five pages.
179. Meyer thinks her readers are too dumb to understand what’s in the book and has to explain everything thoroughly, over and over again. J.K Rowling allows the readers to think for themselves so that they can actually learn.
180. Because when J.K Rowling uses big words, she uses them right, and in the proper context.
181. In order to write any fantasy stories, research is needed.
182. Because J.K Rowling created a whole new world for the readers to get lost in, rather than throwing magical creatures into the real world.
183. J.K Rowling included many magical creatures in her story that are far more realistic than a sparkling vampire.
184. Not all of the villians were defeated in seconds, like they are in Twilight.
185. Harry has actual problems. Tons of them. But does he spend 300 pages Stephenie Meyer and moaning about them? No He actaully does something to try and solve them.
186. Because when Harry and Ginny broke up, neither of them attempted suicide.
187. Because you can read the books over and over again, and pick up things you missed. I don’t need to read Twilight again, it was so repetitive, I doubt I missed anything.
188. Because I find a boy wizard with a lignthning bolt scar on his forehead brandishing a stick to be much more believable than a vampire that sparkles in the sunlight.
189. When J.K Rowling adds a mythical creature into her books that are supposed to be scary, SHE ACTUALLY MAKES THEM SCARY. Stephenie Meyer makes vampires look like fluffy little bunny rabbits.
190. If J.K Rowling wrote that baboons were secretly wizards in hiding, I would believe it.
191. J.K Rowling can actually write a story that draws readers in, rather than put them to sleep.
192. Because JKR actually has an editer.
193. When JKR writes a character’s back story, it actually has somethought put into it and gives you a better understanding of the character. She will bring it up multiple times and add to it, rather than just mention it once and leave it. Example: MOST of HBP is dedicated to Voldemort’s back story.
194. JKR will not insult fantasy writers by completely twisting the myths. She will take what has been written previously, add to it, maybe twist it a little but keep the same general idea.
195. Because Meyer brings a whole new meaning to the phrase rules are meant to be broken . And not in a good way.
196. Because, though the series started out as a kids book, J.K Rowling realised that her readers weren’t eight years old anymore, and she adapted the books so that they grew with the readers.
197. Because there is actually character development in the series. By the end of Breaking Dawn, the characters were still as annoying as they were at the beginning of Twilight.
198. J.K Rowling actually put thought into her characters names instead of chosing common names.
199. Renesmee Cullen? Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore laughs in his grave.
200. Harry is modest. When everyone is fawning over him because he’s famous, he wishes they would stop. He’s never looking for better friends than Ron and Hermione, he’s prfectly happy with them. Bella on the other hand is only happy if the Cullens will except her as a friend and will completely ignore anyone else.
201. Because when Harry broke up with Cho, we didn’t get six blank pages of nothing while he broods about it.
202. Because when Harry hates someone, he actually has a reason for it and therefore, we can’t help but hate them, too.
203. Because it doesn’t dwell on a persons looks.
204. Because even Dumbledore will admit that he’s not perfect.
205. Because the romance isn’t shoved in your face and obvious.
206. It is subtly complex and allows you to think for yourself.
207. The relathionships were subtly hinted at and grew throughout the series. Example: Ron and Hermione.
208. J.K Rowling will actually take time to write an intriguing summary, rather than copy and paste a snippet that gives the entire plot away.
209. Because it actually has themes that don’t contradict themselves.
210. Because the books started out happier, but then got darker and darker as Voldemort gets more powerful and Harry realises what he’s up against.
211. Because everything ties together and makes sense.
212. The foreshadowing is subtle enough that you won’t guess exactly what’s going to happen, yet
not too subtle that you think nothing is happening.
213. Over ten years later and people are still reading the books.
214. The words aren’t always perfect does not apply in the Harry Potter universe.
215. Even Stephen King thinks J.K Rowling is the better author.
216. Quantity does not always equal quality. The Twilight series could have been ended in one book.
217. JKR assumes that we understand what she is saying and doesn’t find it necassary to describe what Harry looks like every two pages.
218. JKR didn’t realize how big her fandom was until after she’d written the final book, in which she did a google search on Harry Potter and it blew her mind. Meyer admitted that Twilight was only supposed to be one book but continued writing because it was so popular.
219. Because lots of time and effort was put into the books, they were not just pulled out of someone’s Edward in a few months.
220. Harry is noble, heroic and selfless. He is willing to risk his life for people he doesn’t know or doesn’t like. Example: Draco Malfoy in the Room of Requirement. He’s a hero we can all be proud of.
221. The main female character, Hermione, is not weak, she does not rely on a man to help her and she doesn’t complain about everything that happens. She is smart, brave, loyal and spends half the series bailing Harry and Ron out of trouble.
222. Even for all of her good traits, Hermione has her flaws. She has a fiery temper and it often gets the better of her (her many fights with Ron). And she has messed up before (she failed the practical Defense exam in third year, and allowed a Death Eater to grab ahold of her while apparating in Deathly Hallows). But even with her flaws, she is a girl we can be proud of. Bella is not.
223. When J.K Rowling uses a plot device, she uses something believable and affects the plot substantially. SMeyer uses plot devices that destroy her own canon *cough*Renesmee*cough*.
224. Because the jokes in Harry Potter aren’t completely made up of sexual innuendos like they are in Twilight.
225. Because you can create a deep, personal connection with the characters in Harry Potter. Personally, I’ve formed better connections with rocks than I have with any of the Twilight characters.
226. The love that Lily had for Harry was touching and powerful. She gave up her life to save him, rather than because he died/didn’t love her. Edward and Bella’s love pales dramatically in comparison to this kind of love.
227. Because, rather than spending 100 pages describing what someone looks like, J.K Rowling actually works on creating a personality for her characters.
228. J.K Rowling isn’t afraid of killing off main characters – even if she did cry whilst writing it.
229. Harry is kind to even the smallest of magically creatures. When Dobby died, he dug the grave by hand instead of with magic as a tribute to the hardwork that Dobby devoted his life to doing. Edward Cullen looks down on humans because they aren’t the perfect sparkly bits of fluff that he is.
230. Harry is infinintly loyal to all of his friends, even if they aren’t popular. Example: In the sixth book on the train ride to Hogwarts Romilda Vane comes and invites Harry to join her and her friends in their compartment saying that he doesn’t have to sit with Neville and Luna. He refuses saying, they’re my friends. Bella left her human friends for the Cullens at first chance.
231. Harry actually had to work to succeed. Bella got everything she wanted handed to her on a silver platter. She didn’t have to work for anything. This gives a bad example to people everywhere.
232. Because the characters in Harry Potter have at least some sort of affect towards the plot. They aren’t just there for the sake of being there.
233. Because J.K Rowling doesn’t try to explain things away with science. And fail at it.
234. Because, rather than making everyone perfect , there is a variation in the characters’ looks. Not everyone is ZOMG SOO HAWT . There are the cutie pies, like Dean Thomas, and Neville, who’s cute in that awkward, dorky way. It makes the characters seem more real.
235. Because the characters in Harry Potter are willing to die for eachother, and some have. The Final Battle is proof that many of the students at Hogwarts would die to save Harry. The Cullens probably wouldn’t do the same thing, not that they were ever put in a situation that called for them to.
236. JKR follows the rules of show don’t tell .
237. No thesaurus’ were harmed in the making of Harry Potter.
238. To the best of my knowledge, Harry Potter has not ruined some of people’s favourite things. Example: music. A lot of people’s favourite bands have been destroyed because they were mentioned/had a song on the soundtrack and the Twitards have made it overly popular because of this.
239. It’s a story that I would actually want to read to my kids as a bedtime story. I wouldn’t let my kids near Twilight if they were still at the age in which I had to read to them so they could fall asleep. Especially not Breaking Dawn.
240. I don’t think anyone has ever made alternate titles to the anything in the Harry Potter books. Example: Breaking Fail, The Demon Spawn, Renespawn. And many, many more.
241. Because The Harry Potter books actually have enough content for a full length movie.
242. While fantasy stories are supposed to be impossible in comparison to real life, Twilight takes impossible to a whole new level.
243. Harry Potter shows that immortality isn’t everything. Twilight shows that if you aren’t immortal, you aren’t worth carp.
244. Because no one in Harry Potter ever complained about shitty wheater. Even if it meant that the Dementors were breeding.
245. Because Dobby the House-Elf would make a better boyfriend than Edward Cullen. He listens to you, is loyal and brave, and would do anything to help you.
246. Because J.K Rowling creates actually conflict in the series that aren’t solved as easily as snapping your fingers.
247. Because if when J.K Rowling has a battle scene at the end of a book, dammit it will have climax. -Is totally NOT referring to that epic fail of a fight scene at the end of Breaking Dawn-
248. After reading the final Harry Potter book, you are not left with more questions than answers.
249. J.K Rowling can find a less cliche way of ending a series than, and we walked into our perfect piece of forever or whatever SMeyer wrote.
250. A hobby. Bella needs to get one. Harry and Ron have Quidditch, Hermione reads and studies. All Bella does is obsess over Edward, which makes for a very boring book.
251. Twilight is drawn out way too far. J.K Rowling provd that some young adult books should be over 700 pages long. Stephenie Meyer proved that some shouldn’t be.
252. Because the hard work and dedication that J.K Rowling put into the series was evident. That Twilight lacked these two factors, was evident.
253. If J.K Rowling wrote a fight scene in which one character kills another, the person who’s point of view we’re reading in would not black out leaving us utterly clueless as to what’s going on.
254. Harry Potter would not try to pass of stalking, pedophilia, and abuse as true love .
255. Because rebelling against The Dark Lord and his Death Eaters as he rises to power makes for a better plot than anything SMeyer could possibly write.
256. Even the bad guys are kind of likeable, because they have depth and layers that you will never find in Twilight’s characters. They’re interesting.
257. It keeps you guessing. Example: Snape. No one but J.K really knew where his loyalties truly lied until one of the very last chapters of the last book.
258. Because if J.K Rowling gives a character a weird name, the names meaning reflects the character, instead of being stupid.
259. Harry Potter has a complex plot with many twists and turns. Twilight is bland.
260. Harry Potter may be repetive with the main plot. But that’s what makes it consistant. It also has many sub-plots that vary book-to-book.
261. Many people say that the Cullens are great because they are hot and rich. You know what I have to say to this? The Weasleys’. They may not be rich or well dressed. Yeah, they’re clothes and books are second hand. But they have love. And really, what more could you want? Mrs. Weasley actually killed Bellatrix for trying to kill Ginny. They are kind, loving and treat everyone as another member of the family. The Weasleys’ totally pwn the Cullens.
262. In the first Twilight book alone there are over 160 reference to Edwards so called angelic beauty. Were hit in the head with the same word so many times its exhausting. I can just imagine the things that run through Meyers head.
263. In the first Harry Potter book Alone the obsticales at the the end are more interesting then the enter twilight series alone All twilight is good for is talking, talking and more talking. Why not just call up a new episode of Dr.Phil???
264. Books should allow you to use your imagination. Not describe the wind in the trees or what Bella is having for breakfast and lunch and dinner that day.
265. The girls in HP can actually hold their own in a fight.
266. Because I find a boy-wizard with a lightning bolt scar on his forehead, brandishing a wand to be much more believable and frightening than a vampire that sparkles in the sunlight.
267. Because Twilight is just a pre-teen porn story with no character devolvement.
268. When Rowling gives weird names, they reflect the character. Ex: Sirius means Giant Dog.” Sound familiar? And what does Edward mean?? Sparkly Vampire?
269. Many people say that the Cullens are great because they are hot and rich. You know what I have to say to this? The Weasleys may not be rich or well dressed. Yeah, they’re clothes and books are second hand. But they have love. And really, what more could you want? Mrs. Weasley actually killed Bellatrix for trying to kill Ginny. They are kind, loving and treat everyone as another member of the family. The Weasleys’ totally pwn the Cullens.
270. At least it wasn’t written by a sexy-wannabe writer stay-at-home mom
271. The plot plays to intelligence, not hormones.272. HP has a story that it not entirely cliche and trashy.
273. HP deals with other things APART from telling us how unbelievably perfect some glittering vampire is.
274. It doesn’t use long adjectives to make it seem like good writing.
275. Male characters don’t dominate the females.
276. The fans of Harry Potter can take it if someone doesn’t like HP, Twilight fans can’t.
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YES.
Twilight sucks so hard that when my mother read the books after I did to prove that they weren’t horrible, she ended up helping me burn the whole series in our grill.
i tip my hat off to you and your wonderfull mother
You know, the funny thing is, this is pretty much true of WoW too. O.o
Oh twilight, shall I count the ways I loath thee?
Let’s see…
1) Bella has NO PERSONALITY. The extent of her character is a) clumsy and b) madly in love with creepy stalker abusive vampire Edward.
2) Creepy stalker abusive vampire Edward. He sneaks into her room to watch her sleep, takes the engine out of her car, and oh, did i mention that whenever they have sex before Bella is turned she ends up blacking out and waking up covered in bruises? Yeah, and then she’s all “Oh, that was GREAT!” NOT. A. HEALTHY. RELATIONSHIP.
3) No characters. More like character blueprints she just didn’t bother to fill in. Alice, Jasper and Nessie (seriously, who names their kid “Renesme”?) could have been GREAT, but noooo, SMeyers was too lazy and left them at “is pixielike, sees future” “youngest, cannot control self” “is crazy adorable, has stupid name”.
4) there’s this one scene that really, REALLY pisses me off. Bella doesn’t want Jacob to kiss her, but he does anyway. So she punches him and ends up breaking her hand cuz he’s a werewolf. Then she tells her dad how she broke her hand, and he LAUGHS AT HER. Not cool. Not cool at all.
5) That whole werewolf imprinting thing. I mean, ugh. A sixteen-year-old madly in love with a five-year-old? GROSS! Not to mention a kid Bella’s age madly in love with BELLA’S NEWBORN BABY! Just…ew. Shudder. Yuck. I need a shower.
6) Why on earth would you keep going to high school for hundreds of years? I mean, seriously? Not to mention that since you’d rub up against people in the hallway (yeah, that happens, except in schools with, like, eight people a class) so wouldn’t they notice if you have all the body heat of a block of marble?
7) All the vampires are white.
8) Buffy, Buffy, wherefore art thou Buffy? Deliver us from the creepy stalker abusive vampire boy! We beg of thee!
Oh, and just so you know, not all thirteen-year-old girls like Twilight. I should know. I’m one of them.
BUFFY!!!!!!
Sorry I am in LOVE with Buffy and its awesomeness! Totally beats this Twilight ; hopefully it will end soon and she won’t write another book! I wish they would come up with a great show like Buffy and blood ties (maybe a combination of both!)
I’m sick of hearing about Twilight from my friends and Edward looks like he has been punched in the face and he has some sort of disease. If I’m forced to watch 1 more film of Twilight or I’m forced to read the book, I’m seriously getting therapy or something because I am sick to death of hearing of Twilight and its goddamn sparkly vampires. I totally agree with the chart but, for me, the wole pie chart’s percentages are equal to each other.
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ok i know you guys probably wont listen but ah well. i am obsessed with twilight but i dont go having spasms about it i kinda think thet isnt really being a fan just acting. but seriously if you dont like it no need to go insuting people and really you should just go talk about something else!! just saying! ps robert pattinson is extremely good looking and so is taylor lautner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just thought I’d throw this out there, as a very strong anti-Twilighter… Taylor Lautner is Shark Boy. From Shark Boy and Lava Girl.
i just read all these comments……..jk all these people wasted their times…lawl
lol yeah. proves the graph true even more. 8D
ummm….. i never read the last book but there is something wrong…. Edward has no blood i think…. and if he does not have blood…. he cant get a boner…. and if he cant get a boner… he cant have sex… or a child sooo…. yeah and also if you like twilight why are you looking up reasons why people hate twilight?
HP= pretty good, Twilight= crap.
+1billion other reasons (other people who dislike it)
Oh Alucard, we have a job for you…
lol. graph proven. 8D
Because it means the end of the working day. When you work in the construction business, doing concrete lifting, you need all the hours of daylight you can get….Oh and I have never seen the movie. No desire.
Sigh… I don’t love Twilight, but I don’t hate it either. I don’t understand the need to defend/destroy it with all of the strength in your typing hands. Why not just leave it alone? If you hate it, don’t read it. If you love it, tell the people who ask. Honestly.
Vampires don’t sparkle…
Werewolves are hairier…
What is with all of the arguing? Who truly knows of vampires sparkle and if werewolves shave their chests?
I read the books and I found them enjoyable (more or less…). It is only the stupid majority of the fans that deter me from such literature.
I feel as if their minds are trapped on the lower half of the gene pool; the sad thing is that there’s no lifeguard to save them from their idiocy.
If I was a vampire, I wouldn’t sparkle as it would draw too much attention.
If I was a werewolf, I most definitely would never take off my shirt that much (lol)
If I was a plain looking, morose, teenage girl I don’t think I would fall for the guy who was intently staring at me; in fact, I wouldn’t sheepishly talk to him at all.
I have a feeling hordes of twi-hards will attack me now in the fashion all fan-girls (and sadly, fan-boys) do. But if you must ravenously defend your modern literature please do so without colloquialisms that are so closely related to the uneducated portion of society.
Please begin your excessive use of misspellings and exclamation marks now.
And remember, I will be happily waiting for anybody to disagree with my points and will graciously explain anything a small brain cannot comprehend.
Bite me you fake fanged, glittering, snaggletoothed barbarians and may you receive great joy in embarring yourselves in public as I personally enjoy your stupidity…
I’ve read all the books and watched 2 of the movies. And the series was recommended to me by someone whose opinion I used to trust.
Honestly, there is nothing great about Twilight. It’s an averagely bad book. I’ve read worse vampire novels. What frustrates me, and most of the twihaters I suspect, is that the fans are so numerous and some (not all, just some) are seriously stupid. You cannot compare good literature with Twilight. Twilight is horrible. There is no plot. You might as well be reading any romance novel with an element of forbidden love. There is nothing that distinguishes it from the rest of the books about vampires or romance in the world. It is not even that well written! And Bella, the character not Kirsten Stewart, is spineless and weak and incredibly unlikable for a main character. And she does not change, does not grow. She remains a whiny brat all the way to the end. Not to mention the number of contradictions in the book itself…
Anyways, my point is if you are a fan, that’s great! I’m glad you think twilight is nice. Honest. But DO NOT ATTEMPT TO COMPARE IT WITH HARRY POTTER OR LORD OF THE RINGS OR ANY OTHER POPULAR FANTASY SERIES! I suggest you take the time to read those books first and then see if you think Twilight is the best.
Okay, just something I want to add: Almost 4 years ago, when these books came out, I was almost 13 — Already, my area was swarming with annoying fangirls. I read the books, and analyzed every wprd just to see if there was something I missed that would make me say, “Oh my God! Now I understand!” but there was no such detail. The books were horrible in themselves, so I already disliked them, but the fangirls drive me to hatred. I was halfway there, the car broke down, the fangirls willingly pushed it all the way there — Hatred City, USA. Now, one thing that irks me most is when peopole say “It’s the pre-teen and teenaged girls that caused all this”, because I was a pre-teen when I read and started disliking them, and now I’m a teen (16) that hates them with every fiber of my being. Oh, and as an additional comment on the movie — I saw it with my older sister, and we burst out of the movie theatre laughing halfway through. We couldn’t make it all the way through — it was just pure filth. What was incredibly funny had nothing to do with the movie itself, just watching the girls squeal every time pretty-boy came on-screen. If you ask me, he was much, much, much better as Cedric Diggory in HP :/
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hahaha that’s pretty funny
with the girls squealing lol
Marry me? please?
same story here, but i happen to be male XD
however, i didn’t scrutinize- i read through twice and asked the fan who made me read them to explain the original bits of the book to me. they just stared and stuttered.
(he is probably a closet twilight fan and is gay)
Actually, despite what I think of the books, I do have to disagree with you on something. The covers actually have reasoning behind them. The apple on Twilight represents the ‘forbidden fruit,’ the flower on New Moon is wilted, representing how hurt Bella is, or something like that? I forgot. The ribbon on Eclipse represents how she is realizing that she can’t love both Edward and Jacob and has to choose one, and the chess pieces on Breaking Dawn represent her human life and her vampire life. I think that’s it. Don’t remember completely, so you may want to google it.
Teacher.*
STFU.
tl;dr.
actually the putting herself in danger part is more strength than weakness. she cant bear to hurt anyone so she would rather hurt herself.